Virginia Tech massacre: NBC receives material from killer

Stratosphere747 · #81 Postby **Stratosphere747** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:29 pm

Brent wrote:
jason0509 wrote:PAPER: Gunman may have been in USA on visa...

Surprise, surprise.

Brent,

Curios on your presumption?

Coredesat · #82 Postby **Coredesat** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:50 pm

jason0509 wrote:Wow check out some of these headlines from Drudge. This is incredibly horrific:

PAPER: Gunman may have been in USA on visa...

The problem is that I hardly consider Drudge a reliable source for anything these days.

lurkey · #83 Postby **lurkey** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:54 pm

Coredesat wrote:
jason0509 wrote:Wow check out some of these headlines from Drudge. This is incredibly horrific:

PAPER: Gunman may have been in USA on visa...

The problem is that I hardly consider Drudge a reliable source for anything these days.

The story linked is from the Chicago Sun Times

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/343 ... ticleprint

Coredesat · #84 Postby **Coredesat** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:56 pm

I stand corrected.

southerngale · #85 Postby **southerngale** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:14 pm

Coredesat wrote:I stand corrected.

Yeah, I was going to post (well, obviously I still am

) that all of the headlines on Drudge link to other news sources. He's just providing many articles from various sources in one spot... and he gets a ton of traffic.

AussieMark · #86 Postby **AussieMark** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:23 pm

now in light of this our government are proposing tighening up gun control here further still ( as if they have not done it enough in the last decade :oops:

)

their target is handguns. :mad:

Yankeegirl · #87 Postby **Yankeegirl** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:43 pm

We can carry handguns here in Texas... but they have to be concealed... and you also have to take a class on gun safety in order to get a permit to carry one... I dont think college kids can have one though... I did hear they are trying to pass a law here that will make you able to take a concealed handgun to work with you... but you have to leave it in your car....

#88 Postby **Aslkahuna** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:08 am

As far as the idea that East Asians don't go bonkers like that, remember the word amök is of SE Asian origin (found in the Malay, Indonesian and Filipino dialects) though ordinarily, they would grab the nearest Kris or Bolo Knife and start hacking away until they were killed. Too much evidence for preplanning for this to be a random and spontaneous event though.

Steve

GalvestonDuck · #89 Postby **GalvestonDuck** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:08 am

Wasn't there an Asian shooter (sniper, maybe) a year or so ago who shot hid in a deer blind and shot other hunters?

Brunota, Whitman wasn't a serial killer...he was a mass murderer. A serial killer kills several people over the course of weeks, months, or years while cooling off in between kills. Someone who kills several on one occasion is a mass murder -- Whitman and this still unidentified VT shooter.

TexasStooge · #90 Postby **TexasStooge** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:15 am

After this incident, 2 of the Texas Massacres were displaced from the top of the mass shooting list.

Less than a year ago, the 40th Anniversary of the University of Texas shooting was marked. A gunman named Charles Whitman walked to the top of the tower and started firing at people, but not before killing his mother and his wife so they wouldn't find out before this incident happened. This incident left 17 people dead, and 3 dozens injured.

In 1991, 23 people were killed at a Luby's Restaurant in Killeen when a disgruntled employee drove his pickup truck into Luby's and opened fire there. He then turned the gun on himself. It was once the deadliest shooting in US history.

You can read more of these incidents here.

Cryomaniac · #91 Postby **Cryomaniac** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:37 am

Someone on a (ok, not entirely sane...) conspiracy theory site is blaming Iran for this.

Quote from ^Trinity^ at GLP:
A warning shot...
I want you guys to realize one thing..
When war with Iran starts..
So will war in the U.S.A. on U.S. SOIL...
They are already here...
Listen and understand..
An army of 1000 well placed guerilla leaders can cause more damage to a country like the USA than any missiles, war planes or war boats ever could..
The enemy KNOWS the only way to beat the USA is in a guerilla war..
and they have been planing to bring that to YOUR STREETS for a very long time
- we must not be disarmed as a people
they are laying on a thick cover story
they will use this action to get some things they wanted anyway - they always do -
but we are not being told the truth
the brass was told to watch for a sign of their power
and this was it..
ONE MAN DID THIS
this is nothing compared to what will come if we strike at Iran..
and when it happens in mass people will be so afraid they won't go shopping, they won't goto work, they won't goto school... THE USA ECONOMY WILL GRIND TO A HALT
people will be so paranoid they will all be killing each other thinking it was a terrorist... mass chaos will ensue and so will serious repercussions against the public from their own government
I tell you this because I KNOW...
BECAUSE THEY KNOW
because anyone who has seriously studied the enemies battle plans can also know this...(this is hardly top secret info)
Because maybe now you will be able to make some sense of what's going on..
This is how the big guys exert pressure on one another.. and the public usually never knows...

Quote from ^Trinity^ at GLP:
look
this guy prolly killed the two (the couple) with a silenced weapon early on in the day as earlier reports said..
then he WAITED..
he WAITED for the bodies to be FOUND and then
HE WAITED SOME MORE
for the hustle to hit the AIR WAVES
THEN...
HE STRUCK THE MAIN TARGET
with a LOUD un-silenced weapon!
psychos on a rampage DO NOT WAIT
THINK PLEASE

Ok, there's some serious paranioa going on there, but the second post is at least a semi-valid point.

Kelarie · #92 Postby **Kelarie** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:49 am

I apologize up front if what I am about to write offends anyone. My heart and thoughts go out to the people affected by this tradegy.

But I have to wonder when he was lining up those people, if a few had rushed him if things would have turned out differently. I know nothing good comes from second guessing, but I just have to wonder. I heard on the news awhile ago that here in Texas there was talk of teaching/showing school age children how to attack (maybe wrong word there) an intruder. Not sure what happened with that.

It is sad that in today enlightened times, that we have to kill people.

Coredesat · #93 Postby **Coredesat** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:23 am

MSNBC is reporting that the shooter was a 23-year-old Korean national.

EDIT: Seung Hui Cho, from South Korea, a senior English major - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

x-y-no · #94 Postby **x-y-no** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:41 am

Not sure what his immigration status has to do with anything, but in reply to the above, according to the report on MSNBC he was a resident alien.

Yarrah · #95 Postby **Yarrah** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:49 am

I don't understand why such a fuss is being made about his nationality in the media, it only leads to stigmatization. I don't care what his name is, how old he is and where he comes from, I just want to know why he did this.

x-y-no · #96 Postby **x-y-no** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:59 am

Cryomaniac wrote:Someone on a (ok, not entirely sane...) conspiracy theory site is blaming Iran for this.

Actually, I didn't read at least the first quote as blaming Iran, but rather pointing out how vulnerable we would be to a guerilla action in the event of conflict with Iran. There's something to this, although I doubt they could bring our economy to a halt as is suggested.

One thought to ponder is that what happened in Blacksburg yesterday amounts to an average day in Baghdad. Not to detract from the horror of this event - quite the opposite.

lurkey · #97 Postby **lurkey** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:30 am

Yarrah wrote:I don't understand why such a fuss is being made about his nationality in the media, it only leads to stigmatization. I don't care what his name is, how old he is and where he comes from, I just want to know why he did this.

First of all, I think the fuss is mostly shock that the shooter didn't fit the standard "profile" of a mass murderer in the United States. I'm sure if you did a study of the mass murderers and serial murderers in American history. they are predominantly of European-descent. The discussion about kind of visa he was carrying and immigration status, is important because people having certain kind of visas are prohibited by federal and state law to carry or purchase firearms. So, if he came to the United States under certain kind of visa (forget which one he was rumored to have), then whoever sold him the weapons could be facing federal and state prosecution.

Yarrah · #98 Postby **Yarrah** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:18 am

^^Thanks for clarifying that. I had no idea people with visa's were also allowed to own guns...

Finally_in_NM · #99 Postby **Finally_in_NM** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:20 am

Yarrah wrote:I don't understand why such a fuss is being made about his nationality in the media, it only leads to stigmatization. I don't care what his name is, how old he is and where he comes from, I just want to know why he did this.

what a sterling response!!!

#100 Postby **dizzyfish** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:23 am

Yarrah wrote:^^Thanks for clarifying that. I had no idea people with visa's were also allowed to own guns...

I'm not sure about that either......I know here in Florida the form asks if you are a US citizen - don't know what happens if you answer no.....?

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