Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Overturned! Sad & Inhumane

[southerngale]

Only about 3% of all abortions are performed due to the mother's health problems. The overwhelming majority of abortions are for "birth control". Partial-birth or not, it's still murder and it's still wrong and it should NOT be legal, no more than murdering your next door neighbor or your 1 month old infant.

And a woman's "bodily" rights should not supercede the rights of the baby. Why should they? When that woman had sex, she left that possibilty open. If she didn't want to take that chance, she should have kept her legs closed. She needs to suck it up and raise that baby or give him/her up for adoption. You don't kill a baby for convenience.

[Guest]

Only about 3% of all abortions are performed due to the mother's health problems. The overwhelming majority of abortions are for "birth control". Partial-birth or not, it's still murder and it's still wrong and it should NOT be legal, no more than murdering your next door neighbor or your 1 month old infant.

And a woman's "bodily" rights should not supercede the rights of the baby. Why should they? When that woman had sex, she left that possibilty open. If she didn't want to take that chance, she should have kept her legs closed. She needs to suck it up and raise that baby or give him/her up for adoption. You don't kill a baby for convenience.

Very well stated!

[Matthew5]

Only about 3% of all abortions are performed due to the mother's health problems. The overwhelming majority of abortions are for "birth control". Partial-birth or not, it's still murder and it's still wrong and it should NOT be legal, no more than murdering your next door neighbor or your 1 month old infant.

And a woman's "bodily" rights should not supercede the rights of the baby. Why should they? When that woman had sex, she left that possibilty open. If she didn't want to take that chance, she should have kept her legs closed. She needs to suck it up and raise that baby or give him/her up for adoption. You don't kill a baby for convenience.

I 1000 percent Agree!

[Guest]

Dont get me wrong i am all for womans rights but this is a life we are talking about and NOTHING should have more rights then a baby IMO. NOTHING!

[southerngale]

I understand where the anti-choice crowd is coming from, I just do not happen to agree. The PBA's are used every rarely and usually to assist the health of the mother. And they really are no worse than regular abortions. Both are very disturbing procedures.

I wouldn't say partial-birth abortions are rarely done, unless more than 2200 babies killed by them every year is rare. Wow, almost as many lives as we lost in the WTC. Where's the outrage? Oh yeah, no outrage because it's legal. We're just talking about helpless babies, nobody "important", right?

Btw, partial-birth abortions are usually NOT necessary to save the mother's life.

[rainstorm]

2 points:
this liberal argument doesnt stand up to reason:
"i am against abortion, but i am for the right of a woman to choose"
stupid. in other words, you are against it, but at the same time you are for it. sounds like kerry. if you think its wrong, then its wrong for a woman to choose to do it.
its the same as saying i am against rape, but i am in favor of a man choosing to rape a woman. dont wash.
also, the real focus should be on keeping liberal kerry judges off the bench:

With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...




Tuesday, June 1, 2004 11:04 p.m. EDT
Same Judge OK'ed Muslim Prayer


The same San Francisco federal judge who just overturned a federal law banning partial-birth abortions also approved of Muslim prayer in schools when federal rulings ban all other denominational prayers and activities.


In a December 2003 decision, U.S. District Judge Phyllis Hamilton decided that it was lawful for a California middle school teacher to require students to recite Muslim prayers, get down on their knees and role-play as Muslim adherents.

As part of the class students were told to recite: "In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. Praise be to Allah, Lord of Creation, The Compassionate, the Merciful, King of Judgment-day! You alone we worship, and to You alone we pray for help, Guide us to the straight path."


The Byron County 7th-grade world history teacher was sued by the parents of one of the students, who claimed that their child had been coerced to engage in a religious practice.

Hamilton, in a summary judgment, ruled that the teacher's actions were legal.

The teacher prepared a student guide which said that as part of the study of Islam "you and your classmates will become Muslims."

According to court documents, the teacher also read the Koran and Muslim prayers out loud in class and required students to recite lines of Muslim prayers in class as well.

Students also were told to recite Islamic prayers as they exited the class, including the Muslim refrain "In the name of God, most merciful, most gracious."

The teacher also assigned students to fast or give up something like TV for a day to experience Islam's month of Ramadan and one of its pillars of faith.

At the end of their Islamic studies, students also were required to write an essay on Islam. But, but the teacher instructed her students, "BE CAREFUL HERE – If you don't have something positive to say, don't say anything!!!"

In her ruling, Judge Hamilton threw out the parents' case, saying the religious role-playing was not tantamount to the exercise of religion and the school activities were not of a devotional or religious nature.

[j]

Thanks Kelly for posting the pic of the baby with its legs ripped off. I take the same stand on this issue as I took with the video of the Berg Decapitation. For some people..this is a must see. It's disgusting and gruesome, but this is what happens people. This picture was one of the less graphic depictions of an aborted fetus.

Check out this previous post of mine in regards to Liberal Pro Abortion Judges and how they circumvent the Law of the land.

http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic ... t=law+land

[Rainband]

SICK!!!! plain and simple. .there is so much hypocrisy in this world..MURDER IS MURDER..no matter what guise you try to use to hide it.

[Guest]

If I got a girl pregnant I would support her decision if she decided to abort.

PBA is really no worse than traditional abortion.

And often it is used to protect the health of the mother.

[Guest]

2 points:
this liberal argument doesnt stand up to reason:
"i am against abortion, but i am for the right of a woman to choose"
stupid. in other words, you are against it, but at the same time you are for it. sounds like kerry. if you think its wrong, then its wrong for a woman to choose to do it.
its the same as saying i am against rape, but i am in favor of a man choosing to rape a woman. dont wash.
also, the real focus should be on keeping liberal kerry judges off the bench:

specious logic JX.

If I get a girl pregnant and I would prefer she keep the baby in a certain instance, doesnt mean I am for an abortion ban.

Being pro-choice doesnt mean I want to abort every baby that is ever created. You miss the point quite often and you have missed it again.

[Miss Mary]

I've always been against abortion - it's murder, in MHO. On my first date with my husband Jim, we got into some serious discussions. We had known eachother for at least a year. Had mutual friends, etc. Had been on the same coed softball team. So we felt comfortable with eachother. And he said right from the start he felt I was the one. So of all subjects that first date to talk about, somehow abortion came up. I said I was against it, would never have one. He said he felt the same way. I will never forget the look on his face when I said I was even against IUD's. I explained how any foreign object in the uterus can expell a fetus, that for a day or two, a fetus/baby can be conceived but then suddenly expelled. He got quite serious and admitted a former girlfriend used IUD's all the time. We both grew very quiet at that point, I know he thinking possibly a baby of his had been technically aborted. I don't think people even connect the two - IUD's and abortion. Sure sometimes an egg is never fertilized but sometimes they are. And then expelled. And sometimes the fetus is a stubborn one and grows, right there beside the IUD.

Sorry to derail this topic. Partial abortions are barbaeric (sp?) to say the least. A terrible way to die. I don't know how doctors/nurses can perform them, when possibly right next door is a premie born to parents wanting that child, and that newborn is fighting for it's life. At possibly the same gestational age!

Mary

[Lindaloo]

specious logic JX.

HER name is rainstorm.

[Guest]

And often it is used to protect the health of the mother.

Like Lindaloo said earlier, any real mother would never choose abortion. A mother is someone who would DIE for her child. No moral woman would kill her child in order to save her own life. Not a chance. I am 100% right, so don't try me on this one. Ask your own mother and see what she has to say.
...Jennifer...

[j]

I challenge any reasonable person to view the aborted child in SG’s post and justify your pro abortion position, w/o spewing the usual propaganda such as:

* life begins with the first breath of air therefore the act of abortion is not a murder but a cleanup of unwanted tissue mass from your body.

[Guest]

specious logic JX.

HER name is rainstorm.

lighten up, LindaLOO..No need to divert the argument just because we do not happen to agree.

[Guest]

And often it is used to protect the health of the mother.

Like Lindaloo said earlier, any real mother would never choose abortion. A mother is someone who would DIE for her child. No moral woman would kill her child in order to save her own life. Not a chance. I am 100% right, so don't try me on this one. Ask your own mother and see what she has to say.
...Jennifer...

Sorry, But I disagree. I think plenty of moral women would save their life over that of their unborn child. And plenty of moral women have.

[Guest]

I've always been against abortion - it's murder, in MHO. On my first date with my husband Jim, we got into some serious discussions. We had known eachother for at least a year. Had mutual friends, etc. Had been on the same coed softball team. So we felt comfortable with eachother. And he said right from the start he felt I was the one. So of all subjects that first date to talk about, somehow abortion came up. I said I was against it, would never have one. He said he felt the same way. I will never forget the look on his face when I said I was even against IUD's. I explained how any foreign object in the uterus can expell a fetus, that for a day or two, a fetus/baby can be conceived but then suddenly expelled. He got quite serious and admitted a former girlfriend used IUD's all the time. We both grew very quiet at that point, I know he thinking possibly a baby of his had been technically aborted. I don't think people even connect the two - IUD's and abortion. Sure sometimes an egg is never fertilized but sometimes they are. And then expelled. And sometimes the fetus is a stubborn one and grows, right there beside the IUD.

Sorry to derail this topic. Partial abortions are barbaeric (sp?) to say the least. A terrible way to die. I don't know how doctors/nurses can perform them, when possibly right next door is a premie born to parents wanting that child, and that newborn is fighting for it's life. At possibly the same gestational age!

Mary

Well stated post. I don't agree with your position on this issue, but I thought you presented it well.

[Rainband]

*edited* The staff at S2K has removed some posts in this thread. We realize this is a VERY emotional issue. We just ask that it is debated the S2K way, ie no personal attacks etc. Thanks for your understanding in this matter.

[Guest]

And often it is used to protect the health of the mother.

Like Lindaloo said earlier, any real mother would never choose abortion. A mother is someone who would DIE for her child. No moral woman would kill her child in order to save her own life. Not a chance. I am 100% right, so don't try me on this one. Ask your own mother and see what she has to say.
...Jennifer...

My mother recently attended the big Pro-choice rally in DC. So I think it is safe t assume that she supports choice.

[Guest]

I challenge any reasonable person to view the aborted child in SG’s post and justify your pro abortion position, w/o spewing the usual propaganda such as:

* life begins with the first breath of air therefore the act of abortion is not a murder but a cleanup of unwanted tissue mass from your body.

I have viewed the picture and it has not changed my mind at all.

I am rarely swayed by visceral appeals though.