South Carolina target for secession

[streetsoldier]

Understood, Johnathan.

[Guest]

But this IS America Bill! Whether you want to belive it or not, this country WAS founded on Christianity! Our forefathers would roll over in their graves if they knew how far from their ideas, this country has gotten! We were not founded on Buddaism, or any other belief...why can't people understand that??? Other religions should be taught, but not as an equal to Christianity...NOT in American History!

Gimme a break. This is not a Christian country....sorry....you are lost.

[Pburgh]

zwyts, I take offense at your statement.

[Guest]

zwyts, I take offense at your statement.

ok

[WEATHER53]

But this IS America Bill! Whether you want to belive it or not, this country WAS founded on Christianity! Our forefathers would roll over in their graves if they knew how far from their ideas, this country has gotten! We were not founded on Buddaism, or any other belief...why can't people understand that??? Other religions should be taught, but not as an equal to Christianity...NOT in American History!

Gimme a break. This is not a Christian country....sorry....you are lost.

It may not be a "Christian" country but this country was sought, formulated, founded, developed and prospered, on an underpinning of belief in a greater power, or God, and I believe that to be a and possible even The reason that this country has attained all that it has. The attempts to force an abandonment of this near foundation principal is not serving to maintain nor further many of the attributes of this country.

[Guest]

But this IS America Bill! Whether you want to belive it or not, this country WAS founded on Christianity! Our forefathers would roll over in their graves if they knew how far from their ideas, this country has gotten! We were not founded on Buddaism, or any other belief...why can't people understand that??? Other religions should be taught, but not as an equal to Christianity...NOT in American History!

Gimme a break. This is not a Christian country....sorry....you are lost.

It may not be a "Christian" country but this country was sought, formulated, founded, developed and prospered, on an underpinning of belief in a greater power, or God, and I believe that to be a and possible even The reason that this country has attained all that it has. The attempts to force an abandonment of this near foundation principal is not serving to maintain nor further many of the attributes of this country.

ok...good post....but a non-sequitur that dodges the original post.

[WEATHER53]

But this IS America Bill! Whether you want to belive it or not, this country WAS founded on Christianity! Our forefathers would roll over in their graves if they knew how far from their ideas, this country has gotten! We were not founded on Buddaism, or any other belief...why can't people understand that??? Other religions should be taught, but not as an equal to Christianity...NOT in American History!

Gimme a break. This is not a Christian country....sorry....you are lost.

It may not be a "Christian" country but this country was sought, formulated, founded, developed and prospered, on an underpinning of belief in a greater power, or God, and I believe that to be a and possible even The reason that this country has attained all that it has. The attempts to force an abandonment of this near foundation principal is not serving to maintain nor further many of the attributes of this country.

ok...good post....but a non-sequitur that dodges the original post.

We've been on haitus, good to engage you again you old far* box.

[Guest]

But this IS America Bill! Whether you want to belive it or not, this country WAS founded on Christianity! Our forefathers would roll over in their graves if they knew how far from their ideas, this country has gotten! We were not founded on Buddaism, or any other belief...why can't people understand that??? Other religions should be taught, but not as an equal to Christianity...NOT in American History!

Gimme a break. This is not a Christian country....sorry....you are lost.

It may not be a "Christian" country but this country was sought, formulated, founded, developed and prospered, on an underpinning of belief in a greater power, or God, and I believe that to be a and possible even The reason that this country has attained all that it has. The attempts to force an abandonment of this near foundation principal is not serving to maintain nor further many of the attributes of this country.

ok...good post....but a non-sequitur that dodges the original post.

We've been on haitus, good to engage you again you old far* box.

likewise!!

you should expand your visitation locales. You absence is conspicuous.

[WEATHER53]

Curious as to what your take would be on the concept, I addressed it in another thread, that " I do not vote and it is my right to complain about politics all I want to (and anyone who says any different should just shut up)."

[Guest]

Curious as to what your take would be on the concept, I addressed it in another thread, that " I do not vote and it is my right to complain about politics all I want to (and anyone who says any different should just shut up)."

Predictably I agree with Bunchie.

Although I have always voted and intend to vote.

[Lindaloo]

Gimme a break. This is not a Christian country....sorry....you are lost.

Then what is this country? Since you threw that statement out there let's hear why furluvcats is lost and you are in the know on what this country is about.

[streetsoldier]

Even Oliver Wendell Holmes, the late 19th Century liberal Supreme Court associate justice known to history as "the Great Dissenter", charcterized America as a nation built on faith...

"Our institutions, the very foundations of our Constitutional Republic, presuppose the existence of a Supreme Being; without Whose benevolence, we fall into barbarity and anarchy."

The impetus towards unbridled secularism, zwyts, is a VERY late introduction into the pale of national fabric...starting in the middle 1960's, and no earlier.

And, IMHO, this is NO improvement.

[furluvcats]

Gimme a break. This is not a Christian country....sorry....you are lost.

Then what is this country? Since you threw that statement out there let's hear why furluvcats is lost and you are in the know on what this country is about.

Yes, xyzts, please explain yourself......

[Guest]

This is a country of all faiths, lack of faiths.

I can appreciate the argument regarding religious versus secular and the direction of the country, although I disagree.

However, the notion that Christianity should somehow be elevated above other religions is preposterous IMO.

[Guest]

The state must be secular, the school non-denominational.
That's the only way to protect democracy, freedom, and finally to
save our rights to live the way we want.
The law is above all religions, colors, races. It must be like that, if you want to be free to live as your religion warn you to live alike.

[WEATHER53]

The state must be secular, the school non-denominational.
That's the only way to protect democracy, freedom, and finally to
save our rights to live the way we want.
The law is above all religions, colors, races. It must be like that, if you want to be free to live as your religion warn you to live alike.

The law is founded on good or God like principals. Although ascripting to no religion the inherent fairness that law attemps to seek is rooted in spiritua principals of justice, fariness, equity-all of which carry faith and deference to the wisdom of a higher power as a substantial component.

[Lindaloo]

The state must be secular, the school non-denominational.
That's the only way to protect democracy, freedom, and finally to
save our rights to live the way we want.
The law is above all religions, colors, races. It must be like that, if you want to be free to live as your religion warn you to live alike.

And your country is suppressing Muslims because......?

[stormraiser]

But some of the Founding Fathers would have been condemned because they weren't "christian". George Washington was a Mason, Jefferson was a deist. Yes, they believed in a higher power but Jefferson saw the viciousness of then mainstream Christianity towards nonbelievers. They didn't show the love of Messiah to nonbelievers, to love their enemies. He said such things as this

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

I am a very religious person and follower of Jesus Christ, but I don't believe this country was established as a Christian Nation, per se. The founders were extremely religious, but they didn't want a Church ruled by the state, nor a state ruled by the church. These two things led to the wholesale slaughter of millions of Righteous people throughout the centuries at the hands of those in power of world governments and world churches. They acknowledged the Creator, in their lives and in their actions, but didn't want it to be an excuse to bring back in the horrible mess that Europe and other parts of the world had become at that time.

[Guest]

But some of the Founding Fathers would have been condemned because they weren't "christian". George Washington was a Mason, Jefferson was a deist. Yes, they believed in a higher power but Jefferson saw the viciousness of then mainstream Christianity towards nonbelievers. They didn't show the love of Messiah to nonbelievers, to love their enemies. He said such things as this

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

I am a very religious person and follower of Jesus Christ, but I don't believe this country was established as a Christian Nation, per se. The founders were extremely religious, but they didn't want a Church ruled by the state, nor a state ruled by the church. These two things led to the wholesale slaughter of millions of Righteous people throughout the centuries at the hands of those in power of world governments and world churches. They acknowledged the Creator, in their lives and in their actions, but didn't want it to be an excuse to bring back in the horrible mess that Europe and other parts of the world had become at that time.

great post

[Guest]

...that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

You know better than me where these words are from.
I interpretate that "their Creator" as: "regardeless whom Creator is".