OtherHD wrote:
If you don't like it, Saudi Arabia may be more to your liking!
Friend, that insulting statement is uncalled for.....totally uncalled for
Michael Jackson,Will he make a comeback? (Edited)
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Unlike the OJ case, I believe Michael's life will wind its way through some very dark places in the weeks and months ahead....and while we won't see a legal prosecution that many had thought was correct, an uglier and tragic justice will show its face.
Michael is just too bizarre and out of touch with reality to be content with escaping this verdict and retiring to golf in Florida with a small circle of friends.
The court case is over...but the book is still being written.
Just my hunch.
Michael is just too bizarre and out of touch with reality to be content with escaping this verdict and retiring to golf in Florida with a small circle of friends.
The court case is over...but the book is still being written.
Just my hunch.
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sunny wrote:OtherHD wrote:BREAKING NEWS!!!!
If you don't like it, Saudi Arabia may be more to your liking!
Isn't it one of my rights as an American to voice my displeasure?
It certainly is and there's a rule on this board against bashing. That was uncalled for.
I believe that when there's smoke there's fire. I also believe in the justice system and if the prosecution didn't do their job by gathering and presenting rock-solid evidence to be able to acquit, then this case probably should've never went to trial. I do believe that the settlement in the first case was "hush-money". I wish that it was tried instead. I also think that Poppysky is right - it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings with regards to Michael Jackson.
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The sense of the "talking head" lawyers is that Michael Jackson WILL continue to entice boys...that he's at least a "pedophiliac personality", and he needs to listen to people outside his "circle". Quincy Jones was one such person mentioned, who'd already told Jacko to stop the sleepovers with children routine.
He'll offend again; I hope and pray that the next prosecutor (this last guy's finished, IMHO) makes a tighter case, and puts him away for a VERY long time.
He'll offend again; I hope and pray that the next prosecutor (this last guy's finished, IMHO) makes a tighter case, and puts him away for a VERY long time.
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streetsoldier wrote:The sense of the "talking head" lawyers is that Michael Jackson WILL continue to entice boys...that he's at least a "pedophiliac personality", and he needs to listen to people outside his "circle". Quincy Jones was one such person mentioned, who'd already told Jacko to stop the sleepovers with children routine.
He'll offend again; I hope and pray that the next prosecutor (this last guy's finished, IMHO) makes a tighter case, and puts him away for a VERY long time.
no one will want the hassle
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streetsoldier wrote:The sense of the "talking head" lawyers is that Michael Jackson WILL continue to entice boys...that he's at least a "pedophiliac personality", and he needs to listen to people outside his "circle". Quincy Jones was one such person mentioned, who'd already told Jacko to stop the sleepovers with children routine.
He'll offend again; I hope and pray that the next prosecutor (this last guy's finished, IMHO) makes a tighter case, and puts him away for a VERY long time.
Any parent or gaurdian who allows their children anywhere near MJ, needs their parental rights terminated. The only reason a person would do so is to obtain hush money. This case because of its flaws never should have been brought to court because now any prosecutor is going to be hesitant to bring any further charges against him if they come to light. I pray they don't.
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Cookiely wrote:streetsoldier wrote:The sense of the "talking head" lawyers is that Michael Jackson WILL continue to entice boys...that he's at least a "pedophiliac personality", and he needs to listen to people outside his "circle". Quincy Jones was one such person mentioned, who'd already told Jacko to stop the sleepovers with children routine.
He'll offend again; I hope and pray that the next prosecutor (this last guy's finished, IMHO) makes a tighter case, and puts him away for a VERY long time.
Any parent or gaurdian who allows their children anywhere near MJ, needs their parental rights terminated. The only reason a person would do so is to obtain hush money. This case because of its flaws never should have been brought to court because now any prosecutor is going to be hesitant to bring any further charges against him if they come to light. I pray they don't.
The first thing I'd advise is DEFINITELY a change of venue...somewhere well up-coast. Second, set another prosecutor on the case, and third...keep the charges short and specific.
I do agree that, after all this, ANY parent who'd send their child(ren) to Neverland should be investigated by Family Services people. Good Gawd, y'all!
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rainstorm wrote:what really makes me mad is those people cheering jackson. cheering a man that admits he likes to entice young boys to his bedroom. cheering a man that has admitted he had to pay off 2 families. amazing
Yeah, that kinda upset me too....brought back some bad personal memories from 1995.
At the time (Oct 1995), I had just begun a new job at EDS...been there a couple months, and up until the O.J. verdict, thought my co-workers were kind, considerate, and decent Americans. Well folks, that ended in large degree the October day O.J. Simpson was aquitted of double murder. It was sickening enough to know a cold blooded killer had paid his way out of a life sentence and walked scott free, but to hear the screams and yells for joy from most of my co-workers (including my two supervisors) in that "normally" quiet and reserved 4th floor office building was beyond an outrage.
I couldn't (and to this day still cannot) fathom why all the African Americans I worked with thought it was wonderful O.J. wasn't convicted. One later confided she really believed O.J. was guilty as sin, but she didn't him convicted and jailed....because so many innocent blacks here in the south had been lynched over the years. I told her....that analogy just didn't make sense; to knowingly and willingly give a cold blooded killer in 1995 a "free pass" simply because many decades ago, innocent men of his skin color were murdered is insane....two wrongs don't make a right; two injustices don't ever add up to justice.
I don't honestly care about a murderer's skin color....or the skin color of his victims. If he's guilty of murder, he should pay for his crime (IMO with his life). To let him off the hook...to possibly someday murder again is a grave injustice to every innocent man, woman, and child on earth.
PW
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Prior to moving to the tropics I was on the jury for a murder/kidnapping.
The defendant was accused of kidnapping the victim from a 7-11 and taking him to an apt. approximately 5 miles away and shooting him. This was all because of a set of stolen hubcaps. After much testimony from family members and friends about "bad blood" between the two the prosecution could not even place the defendant at the scene other than a 9 year old boy that said he saw "2 black men" pull into the apartment complex parking lot. He "thought it might be him".
The defendants cousin was stopped on a traffic violation a few days after the murder in another county and they found a partial box of bullets in his glove box. He said they belonged to the defendant. During deliberations the only read back we had was the cousins. His street slang/ghetto talk was so bad not one of us on the jury understood a word he said while he was on the stand.
This was the testimony that the prosecution was asking us to convict the defendant on.
During deliberations we kept remembering what the judge had said. "The prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt". Well he did not. After a little over 3 hours we came back with a NG on both counts.
I ran into the bailiff about a year later and we started chatting. He told me that when the sheriff's deputy was walking the defendant out of the courtroom that day the deputy asked the defendant if he killed the victim.
The defendant said "F*** yes I killed him and I would do it again". My heart dropped but only for a moment. The bailiff then told me that about 6 months after the trial the defendant was shot and killed in front of the same 7-11. There was never an arrest for his murder.
Long story made short, what comes around, goes around.
I think that MJ is guilty and I also think that if Melville would have allowed more in from the prosecution we may have had a conviction.
One interesting point was the day before the defense rested Judge Melville ordered Geragos to hand over his phone and email records. Then the defense abruptly rested and this evidence was swept under the carpet. I suspect that that evidence alone probably would have convicted him of conspiracy.
I also suspect that in the days to come we are going to hear much about the course of which celebrity trials may be handled in the future. Personally I think that if there were some way to hold a trial for a celebrity, with his identity remaining anonymous, that would be the way to handle them. I guarantee that if that was the way this trial was held, he would have been found Guilty on all charges.
On the flip side my hubby if firmly convinced that the Justice Department stepped into this case. He feels the JD could not allow a afro-american celebrity to get convicted, especially in the summer.
He feels Bush bought himself a quite summer on the streets of the major cities.
By the way. One major difference between our jury and this jury.... We were taking to lunch at the finest restaurants every day by the bailiff, paid for by the court and allowed 2 cocktails each. No Melville diet there.
The defendant was accused of kidnapping the victim from a 7-11 and taking him to an apt. approximately 5 miles away and shooting him. This was all because of a set of stolen hubcaps. After much testimony from family members and friends about "bad blood" between the two the prosecution could not even place the defendant at the scene other than a 9 year old boy that said he saw "2 black men" pull into the apartment complex parking lot. He "thought it might be him".
The defendants cousin was stopped on a traffic violation a few days after the murder in another county and they found a partial box of bullets in his glove box. He said they belonged to the defendant. During deliberations the only read back we had was the cousins. His street slang/ghetto talk was so bad not one of us on the jury understood a word he said while he was on the stand.
This was the testimony that the prosecution was asking us to convict the defendant on.
During deliberations we kept remembering what the judge had said. "The prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt". Well he did not. After a little over 3 hours we came back with a NG on both counts.
I ran into the bailiff about a year later and we started chatting. He told me that when the sheriff's deputy was walking the defendant out of the courtroom that day the deputy asked the defendant if he killed the victim.
The defendant said "F*** yes I killed him and I would do it again". My heart dropped but only for a moment. The bailiff then told me that about 6 months after the trial the defendant was shot and killed in front of the same 7-11. There was never an arrest for his murder.
Long story made short, what comes around, goes around.
I think that MJ is guilty and I also think that if Melville would have allowed more in from the prosecution we may have had a conviction.
One interesting point was the day before the defense rested Judge Melville ordered Geragos to hand over his phone and email records. Then the defense abruptly rested and this evidence was swept under the carpet. I suspect that that evidence alone probably would have convicted him of conspiracy.
I also suspect that in the days to come we are going to hear much about the course of which celebrity trials may be handled in the future. Personally I think that if there were some way to hold a trial for a celebrity, with his identity remaining anonymous, that would be the way to handle them. I guarantee that if that was the way this trial was held, he would have been found Guilty on all charges.
On the flip side my hubby if firmly convinced that the Justice Department stepped into this case. He feels the JD could not allow a afro-american celebrity to get convicted, especially in the summer.
He feels Bush bought himself a quite summer on the streets of the major cities.
By the way. One major difference between our jury and this jury.... We were taking to lunch at the finest restaurants every day by the bailiff, paid for by the court and allowed 2 cocktails each. No Melville diet there.
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SouthernWx wrote:rainstorm wrote:what really makes me mad is those people cheering jackson. cheering a man that admits he likes to entice young boys to his bedroom. cheering a man that has admitted he had to pay off 2 families. amazing
Yeah, that kinda upset me too....brought back some bad personal memories from 1995.
At the time (Oct 1995), I had just begun a new job at EDS...been there a couple months, and up until the O.J. verdict, thought my co-workers were kind, considerate, and decent Americans. Well folks, that ended in large degree the October day O.J. Simpson was aquitted of double murder. It was sickening enough to know a cold blooded killer had paid his way out of a life sentence and walked scott free, but to hear the screams and yells for joy from most of my co-workers (including my two supervisors) in that "normally" quiet and reserved 4th floor office building was beyond an outrage.
I couldn't (and to this day still cannot) fathom why all the African Americans I worked with thought it was wonderful O.J. wasn't convicted. One later confided she really believed O.J. was guilty as sin, but she didn't him convicted and jailed....because so many innocent blacks here in the south had been lynched over the years. I told her....that analogy just didn't make sense; to knowingly and willingly give a cold blooded killer in 1995 a "free pass" simply because many decades ago, innocent men of his skin color were murdered is insane....two wrongs don't make a right; two injustices don't ever add up to justice.
I don't honestly care about a murderer's skin color....or the skin color of his victims. If he's guilty of murder, he should pay for his crime (IMO with his life). To let him off the hook...to possibly someday murder again is a grave injustice to every innocent man, woman, and child on earth.
PW
Maybe many believed as I do that the evidence was indeed tampered with and there was an attempt to frame this man. If the PD had played this straight there might have been a different outcome. By the way I'm white and would have had to vote not guilty.
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Still guilty in my book, and rest assured...he will strike again..this time w/o a charge ever being levied. By the remarks of some of the jurors, they believe it too, just couldn't nail him on THIS particular crime(s).
One more thing...I'm sick and tired about hearing of poor MJ's health. He's so high and low on uppers and downers..its no wonder he dances on SUV's one day, and arrives at Court in pajamas on another.
One more thing...I'm sick and tired about hearing of poor MJ's health. He's so high and low on uppers and downers..its no wonder he dances on SUV's one day, and arrives at Court in pajamas on another.
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Eric - didn't MJ come out recently stating he NEEDS to be around children? That he would die if he couldn't have access to them? I shudder when I think of him saying that. This recent comment I thought for certain would bring a guilty verdict. Then again, I'm sure the Jury had no idea he said that.
What parent in their right mind would allow their children to spend time with MJ now?
This morning I saw clips of his videos from 20+ years ago. Again, it's so apparent he looked very normal back then. As if he's two different people.
What was the reason he gave for his skin turning white? He was losing pigmintation? And he speeded it along with chemical whiteners? My kids ask me how this all got started. It is very hard to explain the facial changes he chose, isn't it? Laura mentioned his hair. I said - what? His hair is fine. Check out the nose! Another news channel last night said if he can now just get a new nose, try to look normal.....after a while you just have to change the channel. And be glad you never had plastic surgery yourself!
Mary
What parent in their right mind would allow their children to spend time with MJ now?
This morning I saw clips of his videos from 20+ years ago. Again, it's so apparent he looked very normal back then. As if he's two different people.
What was the reason he gave for his skin turning white? He was losing pigmintation? And he speeded it along with chemical whiteners? My kids ask me how this all got started. It is very hard to explain the facial changes he chose, isn't it? Laura mentioned his hair. I said - what? His hair is fine. Check out the nose! Another news channel last night said if he can now just get a new nose, try to look normal.....after a while you just have to change the channel. And be glad you never had plastic surgery yourself!
Mary
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Miss Mary wrote:Eric - didn't MJ come out recently stating he NEEDS to be around children? That he would die if he couldn't have access to them? I shudder when I think of him saying that. This recent comment I thought for certain would bring a guilty verdict. Then again, I'm sure the Jury had no idea he said that.
What parent in their right mind would allow their children to spend time with MJ now?
This morning I saw clips of his videos from 20+ years ago. Again, it's so apparent he looked very normal back then. As if he's two different people.
What was the reason he gave for his skin turning white? He was losing pigmintation? And he speeded it along with chemical whiteners? My kids ask me how this all got started. It is very hard to explain the facial changes he chose, isn't it? Laura mentioned his hair. I said - what? His hair is fine. Check out the nose! Another news channel last night said if he can now just get a new nose, try to look normal.....after a while you just have to change the channel. And be glad you never had plastic surgery yourself!
Mary
Mary,
I wonder why DA Sneddon wouldn't have presented that as evidence...like a taped confession? MJ just obviously isn't in his right mind...the guy could use years of deep psychiatric help, too. A fella in his late 40s having sleepovers with young boys. Why not just collect teddy bears for a hobby
...some adults do that...who knows...for ie. actor Gary Burghoff (Radar) may even collect them today.
Don't understand parents who would allow their kids stay overnight with him, either.
I'll never understand his many plastic surgeries either...only thing that looks normal for him is his hair. He was a nice looking young man in his early years.
Eric
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I hear ya Bud. At least you can call him a man. I can't bring myself to call him that. And Eric - he did look like a normal, nice looking guy 20+ years ago. He was on top of the world! Again, my daughters just cannot believe at one time, he was the biggest star. Had everyone's attention - in a good way. He had my respect back then. Not now. Now I can't even muster up pity for him.
Mary
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