Michael Jackson,Will he make a comeback? (Edited)

[rainstorm]

basically, i think there is very good reason for so many on the board to think this was a ridiculous verdict. just a suppostion

a middle aged man lives on your street. you see young boys staying the night at his house. he tells you he loves having young boys sleep over at his house because he "loves" them. also, he tells you that twice before he has paid off families not to take him to court.
a-would you allow your young son to sleep over with him
b-would you want him in your neighborhood?

yes, the verdict is rendered but i dont blame anyone for finding it ludicrous

[Brent]

ALL the jury members(including alternates) are speaking now.

[Skywatch_NC]

Well, looks like Tom Sneddon joins Chris Darden, Marcia Clark, etc., in the DA failures 'boat'...at least when it comes to the rich and famous.

Take OJ for ie...I'll always wonder WHO DID brutally murder Nicole and Ron then?? OJ and Nicole's marriage wasn't exactly a marriage made in heaven...
OJ abused her and groped her, etc. Ron being a good samaritan...in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[SouthernWx]

Have I seen all of the evidence against MJ? No I haven't. How then can I make a judgement as to MJ's guilt vs innocence??

Simple...it's called utilizing COMMON SENSE. In the south, we have an old saying that goes "where there's smoke there's fire"; and it's usually true.

Regardless of what you think of the accusing child's parents motives (and I personally think they're greedy sleaze), the fact remains we have a 40'ish man who 1) has been accused of molesting young boys before AND 2) admits he enjoys sleeping in the room; sometimes in the bed with young boys he isn't related too.

If I'm the parent of a child....there's NO WAY on earth they are ever going anywhere close to "Neverland" or MJ. If he lived in my neighborhood, I'd do everything in my power to force him to move....I wouldn't wont MJ nor any suspected child pervert/ pedophile anywhere close to my sister's children....nowhere close to any innocent child.

We had a very disturbing incident here about a decade ago in which two young men were accused of luring children to their home and molesting them; they lived in a large, expensive, very nice home south of Douglasville, the front yard always filled with children's playground equipment, toys, etc (odd since they were unmarried and had NO kids). These guys always had "open house" at holidays....an extravegant "haunted forest" covering their front lawn at Halloween; an even more extravegant holiday display...complete with Santa's workshop. The home they resided in was also located directly across from TWO schools.

I never allowed my baby sister to go there....not at the holidays, not anytime. I suspicioned for two or three years before their arrests that these two guys were in fact using their location and all the toys and decorations as a "lure" to attract young victims for molestation/ indecent purposes. Turns out my suspicions were correct....both were arrested, tried, and convicted on multiple counts of child molestation, production and distribution of child porno, using children for indecent purposes, and supplying alcohol/ drugs to minors.

Some folks in Douglas county were shocked....these two young men seemed so nice, so friendly, so genuine, but they never fooled me.
Why?...BECAUSE no man on earth loves kids more than me....and I'd never even think of doing anything like these two perverts did to attract neighborhood children to my home.

My common sense said all the toys, playground equipment, and unbelievable holiday displays by two young men without any children was billowing smoke (suspicious). So was their decision to live directly across the road from both an elementary and middle school...with the Santa workshop, new playground equipment, and toys facing both schools, so every innocent child would see it every single day. Where there's smoke you'll find fire 99.9% of the time....why I knew those two guys were in all probability child molestors; wasn't surprised they were arrested.....why I firmly believe in my heart Michael Jackson is a child molesting pervert (cause "where there's smoke there's fire").

After what has transpired...after what MJ has said with his own mouth, any parent who allows their child within 1000 yards of Michael Jackson and Neverland ranch needs their head examined, because the smoke is billowing, has been billowing around MJ and Neverland for a long time; any parent who disregards the clear warning signs and common sense and risks their baby with him is IMO a full fledged idiot.

PW

[rainstorm]

its certainly true that pedophiles set up their entire existence to facilitate the close proximity of their victims

[OtherHD]

Have I seen all of the evidence against MJ? How then can I make a judgement as to MJ's guilt vs innocence??

Simple...it's called utilizing COMMON SENSE. In the south, we have an old saying that goes "where there's smoke there's fire"; and it's usually true.

Regardless of what you think of the child's parents motives (and I personally think they're greedy sleaze), the fact remains we have a 40'ish man who 1) has been accused of molesting young boys before AND 2) admits he enjoys sleeping in the room; sometimes in the bed with young boys he isn't related too.

If I'm the parent of a child....there's NO WAY on earth they are ever going anywhere close to "Neverland" or MJ. If he lived in my neighborhood, I'd do everything in my power to force him to move....I wouldn't wont MJ nor any suspected child pervert/ pedophile anywhere close to my sister's children....nowhere close to any innocent child.

We had a disturbing incident here about a decade ago in which two young men were accused of luring boys to their home....a very nice home south of Douglasville, always filled with children's playground equipment, toys, etc (odd since they were unmarried and had NO kids). These guys always had "open house" at holidays....an extravegant "haunted forest" covering their front lawn at Halloween; an even more extravegant holiday display...complete with Santa's workshop. The home they resided in was also located directly across from TWO schools.

I never allowed my baby sister to go there....not at the holidays, not anytime. I suspicioned for two or three years before their arrests that these two guys were in fact using their location and all the toys and decorations as a "lure" to attract young victims for molestation/ indecent purposes. Turns out my suspicions were correct....both were arrested, tried, and convicted on multiple counts of child molestation, production and distribution of child porno, using children for indecent purposes, and supplying alcohol/ drugs to minors.

Some folks in Douglas county were shocked....these two young men seemed so nice, so friendly, so genuine, but they never fooled me.
Why?...BECAUSE no one on earth loves kids more than me....and I'd never even think of doing anything like these two perverts did to attract neighborhood children to my home.

My common sense said all the toys, playground equipment, and unbelievable holiday displays by two young men without any children was billowing smoke. So was their decision to live directly across the road from both an elementary and middle school...with the Santa workshop and toys facing both schools, so every innocent child was see it every single day. Where there's smoke you'll find fire 99.9% of the time....why I knew those two guys were molestors; wasn't surprised they were arrested.....why I firmly believe in my heart Michael Jackson is a child molesting pervert.

After what has transpired...after what MJ has said with his own mouth, any parent who allows their child within 1000 yards of Michael Jackson needs their head examined, because the smoke is billowing, has been billowing around MJ and Neverland for a long time; any parent who disregards the clear warning signs and common sense and risks their baby with him is IMO a full fledged fool.

PW

that's called making a decision based on assumptions and personal anecdotes. it may be common sense to you (I would never let my children near MJ, to be sure) but it certainly doesn't apply in the courtroom, thank goodness.

[Aslkahuna]

Suspicions are one thing, PROOF beyond a reasonable doubt is another. Although CA State Law allows for the admission of evidence of past acts to establish a pattern, they by themselves can not be used as proof that the current offense was committed. Is MJ a child molester? In all likelihood yes. Did the DA prove it in this instances beyond a reasonable doubt? obviously no. DA's in CA are elected so Sneddon will probably be out of a job when he comes up for reelection. The bad thing is that now MJ is free to do what he wants since he knows that no one will try to convict him ever again.

Steve

[OtherHD]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

"Innocent until proven guilty."
He was not proven guilty.
Therefore he is innocent.
That's how America works.
If you don't like it, Saudi Arabia may be more to your liking!

[mf_dolphin]

While I agree totally with Perry, the facts are the jury didn't see the fire. The ways our laws are written that means acquittal. As far as I know none of us have seen all of the evidence.

[Skywatch_NC]

Makes one wonder why he had his Neverland amusement park resort built...besides giving tourists a "Thrill"??

America justice = May the Farce be with you!

[rainstorm]

Suspicions are one thing, PROOF beyond a reasonable doubt is another. Although CA State Law allows for the admission of evidence of past acts to establish a pattern, they by themselves can not be used as proof that the current offense was committed. Is MJ a child molester? In all likelihood yes. Did the DA prove it in this instances beyond a reasonable doubt? obviously no. DA's in CA are elected so Sneddon will probably be out of a job when he comes up for reelection. The bad thing is that now MJ is free to do what he wants since he knows that no one will try to convict him ever again.

Steve

exactly what i am saying. he now has a free pass and no one seems upset about that. i would never have prosecuted him in the first place, no matter the evidence

[SouthernWx]

While I agree totally with Perry, the facts are the jury didn't see the fire. The ways our laws are written that means acquittal. As far as I know none of us have seen all of the evidence.

That's true Marshall, and as I mentioned...I highly question the motives of this child's parents.
To begin with....why would any parent allow their kid around someone who'd been accused of molestation? That fact alone is mind boggling. I don't care how popular MJ is, how many records and cd's he's sold, how wealthy he is....if my instinct and common sense tell me to keep my kids far away from him, I'm listening.

(and btw...I've always been a big fan of MJ. Sadly, his words, bizarre behavior, and what I believe he's done to innocent children in recent years is beyond dissapointing to me

[streetsoldier]

One thing to consider is that much of what the jury deliberated on was NEVER seen by them...the judge decided what was pertinent to the case, and what was not.

Personally, I'm outraged.

[Pburgh]

Guilty of being one of the weirdest men in the world. YEP
I do not think nor have I ever thought he was guilty of child molestation.

[sunny]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!
If you don't like it, Saudi Arabia may be more to your liking!

Isn't it one of my rights as an American to voice my displeasure?

[GalvestonDuck]

I wish he'd never paid off the first mother.

From what I read, that case was far more believable (and the evidence was sickeningly explicit). And I wish the first mother had not been an idiot and accepted money as a settlement. What's that gonna do but let him go free! How does that punish Michael? Why didn't Tom Sneddon tell her not to accept money because there is a high recidivism rate among child molestors and Jackson needed to be punished from the start?

So, now we had this most recent case where his bizarre behavior was discussed (sleeping in the room with the kids, licking a kid's head). And accusations were made (that he touched Macauley inappropriately), but only dismissed later when the "victim" (Macauley) denied anything like that happened. But molestation was not proved beyond the shadow of a doubt because the mother was stranger than Jackson and there were questions about her credibility.

Sneddon totally blew this case...and the one before it.

Helen, when are you going to place blame on the prosecution? The justice system bites when it comes to dealing with sexual predators -- whether they are celebrities or not. Just look at how many "registered" ones continue to commit their crimes, only to be caught years later after the next Danielle Van Damme or Jessica Lunsford is killed. Sure, the offenders are the ones to blame in the first place. But what good does blaming them do if we don't PUNISH them??

[sunny]

You are right, Duckie. A friend of mine at work told me that while she believes that he probably is guilty of hurting "A" child, probably not "this" child. The problem is, the child truly hurt will never come forward.

[rainstorm]

You are right, Duckie. A friend of mine at work told me that while she believes that he probably is guilty of hurting "A" child, probably not "this" child. The problem is, the child truly hurt will never come forward.

i cant imagine any child coming forward and saying they were molested by a celbrity now.
and duck, i agree mj should never have been prosecuted as he was never going to be found guilty. as far as macauly caulkin, he had to deny he was molested. did he want it hanging around his neck he was one of mj's playthings?
child molestation is a tough issue. i feel many people are falsely accused to begin with, especially where divorces are concerned. however, in this case, there is a clear pattern of behavior. i cant help the light sentences handed out.

[alicia-w]

if he's done it once, he'll do it again. they'll get him eventually but at what (and whose) expense?

[Aslkahuna]

Alicia, I will have to partially disagree with you. Yes, he WILL do it again but the chances are poor to nil that he will ever be charged again.

Steve