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#401 Postby rsdoug1981 » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:38 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17888449/site/newsweek/

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That's why we don't want to unleash hell on Iran just yet. At this point, sanctions are the best bet for a couple of reasons.

1. It freezes the assets of the Iranian regime without harming the overwhelmingly moderate population.
2. It shows the Iranian population that the West isn't entirely trigger happy and is capable of showing restraint.

I really don't think that Iran has a bomb yet. If they had one, Ahmadenijad probably would have paraded it out already. He's just that stupid.

The positives are that Iranians are fully aware that they've elected a moron. Recent elections show that. Ahmadenijad's conservative party was crushed in recent elections. Has anyone seen him much during this "hostage crisis?" Nope. There's a reason. The Ayatollah is fully aware of Ahmadenijad's ability to make a bad situation worse. He's effectively been muzzled for the time being. He has become so unpopular that he had to do something to rally support for his regime. Did anyone see the huge protest against Britain the other day? A whopping 700 people marched in Tehran.

The West has to understand that the Iranians play a great game of brinksmanship. One of my best friends in the world married an Iranian man in Tehran. They'll both vouch for that fact. The last thing in the world we want to do right now is to hack off the population of Iran. The median age of Iranians is 26, and they embrace western culture. Our best bet, at this point, is to show restraint to the Iranian people and put unbearable pressure on the regime in power. Teddy Roosevelt's foreign policy applies here: "Speak softly and carry a big stick." We need to be diplomatic right now...with the promise that one misstep will lead to iran being turned into a parking lot.

As far as the Good Friday attack speculation...
Obviously, there is more than enough firepower in the region for us to strike at any time; however, I've seen lots of propaganda come from the Jerusalem Post. I'm not quite ready to believe it.

As far as Iran threatening US ships in the region's international waters...
I really can't think of worse move. An unprovoked attack on the US in international waters would probably lead to the invocation of the NATO charter. It would be a horrible thing to do.

Edited to add: I'd like to think that Americans have two options here. We can either understand that this two bit thug in power in Iran probably isn't going to get the best of us, or we can wring our hands over every little bit of propaganda that comes down the pike. I'm only 25, but history tells me that we've weathered worse storms. Anyone remember the period of history known as the Cold War when we faced an enemy that actually had 10,000 nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them and Soviets were going to take over the world? Anyone remember the Cuban Missile Crisis when nukes were parked in our back yard? Most analysts agree that we came within two hours of nuclear war. We've weathered far worse storms than this. We're far more resilient than we give ourselves credit for.
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#402 Postby cycloneye » Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:02 am

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264864,00.html

Ahmadinejad is announcing today that Iran is expanding it's nuclear program.Is there more time for diplomacy or it's time to use the stick?
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#403 Postby Nimbus » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:18 am

Of all the things a country can do in the world what modern day world leader would obsess over aquiring a nuclear weapon? Some of the novelty of nuclear weapons must have worn off over 50 years. Its a little like being the first primative country to develop fire arms I suppose. I'm not sure banning dynomite that could be used for constructive purposes should be banned just because the technology could also be used to provide gunpowder for cartridges.
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#404 Postby x-y-no » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:16 am

Nimbus wrote:Of all the things a country can do in the world what modern day world leader would obsess over aquiring a nuclear weapon? Some of the novelty of nuclear weapons must have worn off over 50 years. Its a little like being the first primative country to develop fire arms I suppose. I'm not sure banning dynomite that could be used for constructive purposes should be banned just because the technology could also be used to provide gunpowder for cartridges.


The fact is nuclear weapons are a great deterrent. If a country fears attack by more powerful nations, it makes every bit of sense to seek that deterrent.

Look at the recent record in that area: Neither Afghanistan nor Iraq had nuclear weapons and they were attacked. Pakistan and North Korea (both of whom have extensive ties to terrorist groups) do have them and they're not attacked - in fact Pakistan is treated as a trusted ally, despite harboring our enemies to this day.

In light of such evidence, I think I'd be seeking nuclear weapons were I in Iran's place.
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#405 Postby Cryomaniac » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:56 am

cycloneye wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264864,00.html

Ahmadinejad is announcing today that Iran is expanding it's nuclear program.Is there more time for diplomacy or it's time to use the stick?


It was time to use the stick a long time ago.
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#406 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:54 pm

cycloneye wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264864,00.html

Ahmadinejad is announcing today that Iran is expanding it's nuclear program.Is there more time for diplomacy or it's time to use the stick?


Well well well. Can't honestly say that I'm surprised.
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#407 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:56 pm

[quote="Cryomaniac] It was time to use the stick a long time ago.[/quote]

And soon it'll be too late.
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#408 Postby cycloneye » Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:34 pm

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribun ... 27778.html

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This news comes from Russia which is a big friend of Iran.I would take the U.S. Cruise missiles attack reference with a grain of salt.What I worrie the most is Israel,that may go first and bomb the nuclear plants.And if that happens all bets are off in the Middle East and around the world.
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#409 Postby Brent » Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:40 pm

cycloneye wrote:http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/07/front2454202.046527778.html

:uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow:

This news comes from Russia which is a big friend of Iran.I would take the U.S. Cruise missiles attack reference with a grain of salt.What I worrie the most is Israel,that may go first and bomb the nuclear plants.And if that happens all bets are off in the Middle East and around the world.


This is the same Russia that claimed we would attack Iran on Good Friday. *yawn*
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#410 Postby cycloneye » Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:41 pm

Brent wrote:
cycloneye wrote:http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/07/front2454202.046527778.html

:uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow:

This news comes from Russia which is a big friend of Iran.I would take the U.S. Cruise missiles attack reference with a grain of salt.What I worrie the most is Israel,that may go first and bomb the nuclear plants.And if that happens all bets are off in the Middle East and around the world.


This is the same Russia that claimed we would attack Iran on Good Friday. *yawn*


Excactly.
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#411 Postby x-y-no » Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:47 pm

Brent wrote:
This is the same Russia that claimed we would attack Iran on Good Friday. *yawn*


Yes exactly.

And when the Russian guy in the article starts blathering about our possibly using nukes, he loses what little credibility he had.
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#412 Postby cycloneye » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:03 pm

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/200 ... has_1.html

According to this articule,Iran has 1,300 centrifuges that can help speed the proccess of making a bomb.
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#413 Postby cycloneye » Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:11 pm

Israel preparing to bomb Iran?

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Some talk from Israel's prime minister about using the stick against Iran if the U.N. sanctions dont work.
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Iran Nuclear Standoff

#414 Postby cycloneye » Wed May 23, 2007 10:43 am

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070523/D8PA51600.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274955,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274998,00.html

This is thread #2 about this Iran Standoff that has heated up in the past couple of days with a report from the U.N. nuclear watchdog that shows that Iran is Enriching Uranimun in a fast pace.Also the U.S. is doing excersises in the Persian Gulf in a show of force to Iran.Let's see what will occur in the next few weeks with this standoff.

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#415 Postby flightwxman » Wed May 23, 2007 12:04 pm

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#416 Postby Cryomaniac » Wed May 23, 2007 12:30 pm

I don't care if they are there for an excercise, or whatever, I'd rather them be there than anywhere else.

It's possible that the Iranian's will eventually get p-ed off with the troop build up in the gulf and decide to attack them, which while it would be bad in the short term, it would in my opinion be the best thing for the world in the long term. As people who read this forum will know, me (and maybe some others) have been pretty much calling for for a war with Iran for months now, so this view shouldn't be a suprise.
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#417 Postby Brent » Wed May 23, 2007 12:56 pm

and then there's this...

The CIA has received secret presidential approval to mount a covert "black" operation to destabilize the Iranian government, current and former officials in the intelligence community tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

The sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the subject, say President Bush has signed a "nonlethal presidential finding" that puts into motion a CIA plan that reportedly includes a coordinated campaign of propaganda, disinformation and manipulation of Iran's currency and international financial transactions.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/200 ... rizes.html
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#418 Postby gtalum » Wed May 23, 2007 1:00 pm

So many wars to lose, so little time...
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#419 Postby HURAKAN » Wed May 23, 2007 1:27 pm

I don't think we need another war. The Iraq War has already taken a serious burden into our economy and a war with Iran would do something similar or worse. First, Iran is much larger than Iraq, and the terrain is much tougher, including mountains. Also, the war would have to be directly between the US and Iran because international help is not going to be easy to get after the Iraq War.
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#420 Postby Cryomaniac » Wed May 23, 2007 4:27 pm

HURAKAN wrote:I don't think we need another war.

In the short term certainly not, but in the medium to long term (ideally 10-15 years+, but now if necessary, and if the Iranians are funding/helping the Iraqi insurgents, then it's an act of war, imho.), society needs something to bring it together, I'd much rather see a revival of the '70's punk movement, but another world war seems more likely, at least at the moment.

Also, the war would have to be directly between the US and Iran because international help is not going to be easy to get after the Iraq War.


I agree with you on this, the Russian's would tell us (US/UK) to go screw ourselves, the Chinese would stay neutral, as they always do in stuff like this, and sh- would hit the fan everywhere else.
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