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Re: Developing Story... SC... Van pulled over with explosives

#41 Postby flwxwatcher » Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:54 pm

Well number One the Driver told Deputies they were carrying explosives.

Two Egyptian nationals stopped for speeding in South Carolina Saturday evening were carrying precursor chemicals, used in improvised bomb-making as well in as model rocketry, lengths of plastic pipe and twists of hobby fuse, and model rocket launchers, according to investigators.

The speeding stop resulted in a complete shutdown of the highway for about 10 hours and the arrest of the two men on local charges of possession of a destructive device. No link to terrororism has been found.

When stopped along I-76 at 6 p.m., about seven miles from a U.S. Navy weapons station, the driver, who said he was a hydro-engineering major at South Florida University, told a deputy he was carrying explosives. When a bomb technician and additional officers arrived, the driver stated he and his passenger were using the materials to make homemade rockets


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http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/200 ... -to-m.html
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#42 Postby gtalum » Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:54 pm

artist wrote:here is the lates - seems they had materials that they said they wre going to make fireworks with. Now - how many of you make your own fireworks? I don't know of anyone!


I actually do know some folks who make their own fireworks. It's not my cup of tea, but it's also not illegal. Sounds to me like the case is falling apart.
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#43 Postby artist » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:08 pm

gtalum - since when? They had illegal devices.
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#44 Postby alicia-w » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:11 pm

it is entirely possible, though completely speculative, that someone interpreted "rockets" to be fireworks. I and several of my friends have built numerous rockets with what could be perceived to be explosives.

Here's the SC law on fireworks:

http://www.scstatehouse.org/code/t23c035.htm

and a pamphlet regarding fireworks in SC:
http://www.llr.state.sc.us/POL/Pyrotech ... rework.pdf

(of an especially interesting nature is this):

What types of fireworks are banned in South Carolina?
Illegal explosive devices cause serious injuries. Federally banned since 1966, these
devices are commonly known as M-80s, M-100s,blockbusters or quartersticks. These items will not contain a manufacturer’s name and are usually
unlabeled. Any device that produces an audible effect such as a firecracker can only have up to two grains of pyrotechnic composition. Anything over
two grains makes it an illegal device and the manufacture, storage or transport of such a device in South Carolina is illegal.
Permissable fireworks are ICC Class C “Common Fireworks”only. They can also be
labeled as “1.4G” or “Firework UN0336.” They include Roman candles, bottle type rockets, cylindrical fountains, cone fountains, wheels, illumination torches, sparklers and firecrackers and salutes with casings. See Section 23-35-10 of the
state Fireworks Laws and Regulations for specific weight and length requirements.
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#45 Postby artist » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:12 pm

They are being held for possession of those items -- some chemicals with the intent to distribute.
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#46 Postby artist » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:14 pm

now how much would you have to have to be considered for the " intent to distribute" charge.
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#47 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:19 pm

The question is, how do they know they had the "intend to distribute" the chemicals?
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#48 Postby Regit » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:22 pm

I've seen several articles state that they were pulled over either on 1-76 or I-76.

I'm guessing they mean US 176. It'd be nice for a media source to do enough research on the story to get the road correct. Makes me wonder about the rest of the journalism.
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#49 Postby artist » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:26 pm

you know - it is really sad that someone wants to report a story they hear, and keep up to date on it and yet people immediately start throwing around - it wasn't warranted, it must have been fireworks, etc., etc., etc. without having anything to back up what they are saying. All I wanted was to be able to follow this story, plain and simple, but have had to defend my right to do so by trying to prove it was a legitimate story! I already stated that if it turns out they had done nothing wrong I would be the first to say "Prosecute those that did the wrong doing!" yet that was not good enough. I continually have had to defend my right to follow and post what I have found out about it! What is wrong with this picture? If it turns out the charges are legit I thank God they were found out before anything more could happen!
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#50 Postby alicia-w » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:27 pm

http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/article/2 ... /708060717

In the vehicle, investigators say they found potassium chlorate and sugar, which when combined with a catalyst create what has been dubbed "instant fire" releasing heat, flames and smoke in a spectacular fashion. As a result, they are used in making fireworks and as a fuel for model rockets.

In addition a can of gasoline, PVC pipe, four hobby store brand rocket launchers and hobby store brand fuses were found, investigators said. The four PVC pipes contained an unknown substance. Also taken into evidence was a laptop computer, a GPS unit and Trac cellular telephones. The laptop computer was sent to the FBI lab at Quantico for analysis.



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#51 Postby gtalum » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:55 pm

artist wrote:gtalum - since when? They had illegal devices.


No, they are alleged to have had illegal devices, though none have actually been listed yet. We'll see in the trial, if it makes it that far.
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#52 Postby x-y-no » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:04 pm

Hmmm ...

Nothing illegal about potassium chlorate or sugar or hobby rocket supplies. So I guess it comes down to what is the "unknown substance" in the PVC tubes.
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#53 Postby x-y-no » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:09 pm

I've made "instant fire" in the past. It hardly qualifies as an explosive, but it does burn pretty impressively.

Here's a demonstration.
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#54 Postby Aslkahuna » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:16 pm

Incidentally. although we generally have freedom of movement in this Country and freedom from being arbitrarily stopped while travelling, it does NOT extend to all parts of the Country. The Courts have ruled that the Border Patrol can stop you in the Frontera (about 25 miles our side of the Border) if they feel they have a reason to do so and can question the vehicle occupants, ask for ID and/or search the vehicle even if no other violation has occurred-I speak from experience and being a rich white guy and telling the officers to buzz off is not going to get you anywhere.

BTW, I used to make Black Powder and Potassium nitrate and sugar mixes in quantity for use in homemade rockets (one of which exploded about 500 feet up with a bang that could be heard for miles)-the biggest one of which was about 6 feet tall.

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#55 Postby HollynLA » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:45 pm

The details of this seem very sketchy to say the least as different stories are reporting different things. What's even more shocking is that there are those of you who are defending them without knowing and then trying to justify why they would have such odd materials in their possession to make their own fireworks or whatever else they intended to do with them. Why not wait till the facts are out before you fight for their freedom and rights? You don't know what the facts are anymore than anyone else yet you're resorting to calling the police department racists.
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#56 Postby coriolis » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:57 pm

As a kid, I made "bombs" too. Mixture of potassium nitrate (available as saltpeter at pharmacies) and sugar. Mixed it up and put in plastic coin tubes with a fuse. They flared up pretty nicely. I never got my hands on a mortar and pestle which I thought would grind the materials finer so they'd burn faster. We also set off model rocket engines in "a manner not as they were intended." I often had some fuse materials in my possession.

Did anyone ever make a "polish cannon?" Take the tops and bottoms off of aluminum cans, tape them together, leave the top on the last one and poke a hole in the bottom of it. Squirt in some lighter fluid, shake, and hold a match at the hole. It would propel a tennis ball pretty far, but I don't think that it would take out a Humvee.


My how times have changed.

I'd still be scratching my head though - What are these grown adults doing with kids stuff like that. Maybe they were making rockets to deliver a virus or something? (That's a joke)
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#57 Postby Ptarmigan » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:00 pm

coriolis wrote:As a kid, I made "bombs" too. Mixture of potassium nitrate (available as saltpeter at pharmacies) and sugar. Mixed it up and put in plastic coin tubes with a fuse. They flared up pretty nicely. I never got my hands on a mortar and pestle which I thought would grind the materials finer so they'd burn faster. We also set off model rocket engines in "a manner not as they were intended." I often had some fuse materials in my possession.

Did anyone ever make a "polish cannon?" Take the tops and bottoms off of aluminum cans, tape them together, leave the top on the last one and poke a hole in the bottom of it. Squirt in some lighter fluid, shake, and hold a match at the hole. It would propel a tennis ball pretty far, but I don't think that it would take out a Humvee.


My how times have changed.

I'd still be scratching my head though - What are these grown adults doing with kids stuff like that. Maybe they were making rockets to deliver a virus or something? (That's a joke)


Interesting. I thought you couldn't ignite a rocket engine without an electrical charge.
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#58 Postby Ptarmigan » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:02 pm

Aslkahuna wrote:Incidentally. although we generally have freedom of movement in this Country and freedom from being arbitrarily stopped while travelling, it does NOT extend to all parts of the Country. The Courts have ruled that the Border Patrol can stop you in the Frontera (about 25 miles our side of the Border) if they feel they have a reason to do so and can question the vehicle occupants, ask for ID and/or search the vehicle even if no other violation has occurred-I speak from experience and being a rich white guy and telling the officers to buzz off is not going to get you anywhere.

BTW, I used to make Black Powder and Potassium nitrate and sugar mixes in quantity for use in homemade rockets (one of which exploded about 500 feet up with a bang that could be heard for miles)-the biggest one of which was about 6 feet tall.

Steve


I once bought a large firework rocket called the Black Diamond. I expected a great firework. Guess what? It did nothing, it just went up and exploded like a bottle rocket. What a waste. :grr: I will never buy that again! One Black Diamond gets you a bunch of bottle rockets. :roll:
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#59 Postby artist » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:03 pm

http://www.charleston.net/news/2007/aug ... k_highway/

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Florida students charged in explosives scare face $800,000 bond
By Noah Haglund (Contact), Dave Munday (Contact), Andy Paras (Contact)
Originally published 12:46 p.m., August 5, 2007
Updated 02:40 p.m., August 6, 2007



Alan Hawes
The Post and Courier

A bomb squad technician examines items removed from a four door sedan on Highway 176 in Goose Creek early Sunday morning. The FBI is on the scene investigating the suspicious car that was stopped by police Saturday night. A robot, center, removed several items including a backpack, a large gas can, and a red box from the car. The technician crawled on his stomach for a cautious up-close look at several items.
GOOSE CREEK — Pipe bombs were found Saturday in the trunk of a car being driven by two Florida college students, according to court documents.

Now the men will have to post a combined $800,000 in bond to get out of jail, a circuit judge decided this afternoon.

Youseff Megahed, 21, and Ahmed Mohamed, 24, have been charged with possession of an incendiary device, Berkeley County Sheriff Wayne DeWitt announced today. If convicted of the charges, the men could face between 2 to 15 years in prison.

Mohamed’s bond was set at $500,000 while Megahed’s was set at $300,000.

Berkeley County Sheriff Wayne DeWitt said the men were pulled over Saturday night on U.S. Highway 176 while driving more than 60 mph in a 45-mph zone. When an officer approached the car, he saw one of them men fold a laptop computer, which the officer believed was suspicious, DeWitt said.

The officer asked them if he could search the car, which the men agreed to. When he asked if there was anything in the car he should know about, the men said there were fireworks in the trunk.

At a 1:30 p.m. news conference today in Tampa, a spokesman for the University of South Florida where the men attend said Megahed is an undergraduate student and Mohamed is a civil engineering graduate student, the Tampa Tribune is reporting.

Mohamed is originally from Kuwait and completed his undergrad education in Cairo, according to the Tampa newspaper. He has been at USF since January and was registered for six hours during summer session, the spokesman told the paper.

Megahed, originally from Egpyt, has been enrolled at USF since 2004 and had not declared a major. He was registered for three hours this fall, according to the newspaper.

An Islamic community leader from Tampa, Fla., who’s been in touch with the families of the two detained college students, told The Post and Courier that Megahed and Mohamed are not troublemakers and that they a were simply on a weekend trip to North Carolina.

Ahmed Bedier, executive director of the Tampa chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a civil rights organization for Muslims, said family members have told him they think the materials were leftover fireworks Megahed kept in his trunk since July 4.

“Both of them are really naïve kids,” Bedier said.

He said Megahed is a permanent legal resident of the United States and Mohamed was the passenger. Mohamed’s legal status is not known.

“There’s a lot of unanswered questions,” Bedier said.

A terrorism task force, meanwhile is reviewing the evidence, said FBI spokesman Richard Kolko.

“At this point, it is too early in the investigation to say there is any link to terrorism,” Kolko said.

News that explosives were found Saturday shocked residents in Goose Creek, home to the Naval Weapons Station, which houses the U.S. Naval Consolidated Brig, a military prison where enemy combatants have been held.

Reach Noah Haglund at 843-937-5550 or at nhaglund@postandcourier.com.


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A bomb squad robot searches a car on US Highway 176 in Goose Creek Saturday night.
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#60 Postby coriolis » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:33 pm

:uarrow: :uarrow: The plot thickens a bit. I say that an engineering student knows the difference between fireworks and a pipe bomb.

Lets see what was in the laptop.





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Interesting. I thought you couldn't ignite a rocket engine without an electrical charge.


Nah, you just stick a fuse in the end. I did model rockets too. The electrical igniter never worked well for me. Then what do you do if it doesn't ignite - pick it up and look at it? :blowup:
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