Iran Nuclear Standoff

[Janie2006]

If that's the case then why did they agree we needed to go into Iraq?

I don't know that "they" did. I know that Tony Blair did. He also lost quite a bit of his cabinet when he insisted on following the US lead.

Glad you seem to have a direct line to Bin Laden...

That's out of line and you know it. I'll not have you casting aspersions and making thinly-veiled accusations. Anyone with a working knowledge of power politics could see the endgame, after all. If you don't agree, fine. Say why. Say something else. Or say nothing at all. However, implying that I have personal knowledge of or contact with a mass murderer is both an attempt to silence and ridicule me. I'll have none of that.

[SouthFloridawx]

What I don't understand is this - why would anyone want them to be able to come over here and murder us? IF we don't let them know we are serious and fight them where they are then that is what will happen. There truly are some in this world that are evil and they mislead the vunerable and could care less about death and destruction. Not everyone is willing to talk - and some of those that say they are would be plotting behind our backs.

If we go over there an attack them where they are... Does that make us any better? They attack us or we attack them... it's the same thing. Who exactly are we letting know we are serious. It is estimated that over 600,000 people have died as a direct result of or in conjuction with, attacks made by us, terrorist bombings, insurgents and many other different types of things.

Sir, I think we have got them back already.

Sounds like an endless cycle of them being mad at us, they attack us, we attack them and so on and so forth. If you really think that all the people in Iraq are happy we are there... then you are sorely mistaken.

What really irks me the most is that, every time that the media puts out another report about how N. Korea or Iran is developing Nuclear... everyone gets bent out of shape. Why should we be the country that tells everyone what they should and shouldn't have and should and shouldn't do.

Maybe, instead of spending almost 500 billion dollars in a country we could do some things around our own house.

[Derek Ortt]

If we go over there an attack them where they are... Does that make us any better?

Is not about us being "morally" better than them. Being morally superior has never won a single war. It is about being more alive than them

[azsnowman]

What I don't understand is this - why would anyone want them to be able to come over here and murder us? IF we don't let them know we are serious and fight them where they are then that is what will happen. There truly are some in this world that are evil and they mislead the vunerable and could care less about death and destruction. Not everyone is willing to talk - and some of those that say they are would be plotting behind our backs.

If we go over there an attack them where they are... Does that make us any better? They attack us or we attack them... it's the same thing. Who exactly are we letting know we are serious. It is estimated that over 600,000 people have died as a direct result of or in conjuction with, attacks made by us, terrorist bombings, insurgents and many other different types of things.

Sir, I think we have got them back already.

Sounds like an endless cycle of them being mad at us, they attack us, we attack them and so on and so forth. If you really think that all the people in Iraq are happy we are there... then you are sorely mistaken.

What really irks me the most is that, every time that the media puts out another report about how N. Korea or Iran is developing Nuclear... everyone gets bent out of shape. Why should we be the country that tells everyone what they should and shouldn't have and should and shouldn't do.
Maybe, instead of spending almost 500 billion dollars in a country we could do some things around our own house.

AMEN, AMEN and AAAAAMEN!

I've always wondered that myself....are "WE" God's people? Are WE the one's who were meant to RULE the world?

You know what gets me....PLEASE don't get me wrong, I am PROUD to be an American, by Gods Grace I was born here and I will die here BUT...we are the most self centered, egotistical country in the world. For instance, the upcoming "Super Bowl!" We DECLARE ourselves "WORLD CHAMPIONS"....does Mexico have a PRO football team, how about Iraq, Iran, Spain, France, Italy, Greece, Russia? Ummmm..."NO" so what gives us the right to call our teams "World Champions"?

[Regit]

One thing I find funny in this thread and others about war, is that the same members who point out that we need to use military strength and blow up civilians are the same ones who invoke Christianity in other threads to win an argument.

So, I'm going to invoke some Christianity.

Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth... Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.

Sounds like hippy stuff to me.

[Derek Ortt]

Regit,

Very selective quoting. What about the passages that say all who reject Christ will be thrown into the fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth?

I am not advocating attacking Iran because they are non believers. I am advocating an attack on them because they pose a threat to us and our allies. If anyone in the USA advocates attacking them because they are largely non Christian... they should realise that they are also advocating attacking the USA as we also have a large non Christian presence.

[Yarrah]

Ever thought about the fact that calling Iran part of the axis of evil and threatening it with preventive attacks and regime changes creates a self-fulfilling-prophecy?

Iran has been surrounded by enemies for more then 20 years. First there were Saddam to the west (heavily supported by the Western world) and the Taliban (sunni) to the east and now it's surrounded by the US and it's allies. Iran feels threatened and in order to create more safety (even if it's just the idea that they're 'safe'), it creates the most effective way to convince its enemies that it's not wise to threaten and even attack them. They believe that if Pakistan, India and Israel use these weapons for the same reason (and some even threaten to use them), Iran should also have the ability to create and own a nuclear weapon.
By threatening Iran, the situation will only become worse.

[Regit]

Regit,

Very selective quoting. What about the passages that say all who reject Christ will be thrown into the fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth?

I am not advocating attacking Iran because they are non believers. I am advocating an attack on them because they pose a threat to us and our allies. If anyone in the USA advocates attacking them because they are largely non Christian... they should realise that they are also advocating attacking the USA as we also have a large non Christian presence.

I quoted that specifically because Jesus said it. He meant it in no special context. It's quite simple:

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God, Matthew 5:9.

This has nothing to do with whether Iran is Christian or not. I don't know where you got that from. It has nothing to do with the discussion, so I'm discounting your entire last paragraph.

However, you did mention God punishing people. Earlier in this thread you suggested God has started wars himself. But, according to Christianity, God is "the one," omnipotent and ruler of all. He can do whatever he wants and you're not necessarily meant to follow his lead.

God impregnated Mary. So does that mean we're all allowed to go around knocking up twelve-year-old virgins?

The fact is Jesus himself believed in peace and preached it. Furthermore, his idea of peace was fully unconditional.

I'll stop ranting. I just get tired of hearing Christianity used as justification for things like war.

[Janie2006]

The fact is Jesus himself believed in peace and preached it. Furthermore, his idea of peace was fully unconditional.

Ja, he lived and died by that message. I'd call that unconditional.

Did he not also say Love is the whole of the law? Considering that the Son is a part of the Holy Trinity we can safely assume that the Almighty said what he meant and meant what he said.

[cycloneye]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070201/D8N16FD05.html



If Ahmadinejad announces on Febuary 11th that their Nuclear Program will expand,then things will be on the brinck.

I am not a hawk person,however coinsidence or not,by the time Febuary 11 arrives or maybe some days after that,a second carrier (USS Stennis and it's ships) will arrive in the Persian Gulf to join the USS Eisenhower.

Ahmadinejad's remarks signaled that Iran would begin the installation before Feb. 11 - the final day of nationwide celebrations in memory of the Islamic revolution. He has also called people to the streets that day to show support for the nuclear program.

"Enemies of the Iranian nation ... must know that their wrongful beliefs will be revealed once again during Feb. 11 rallies by the great Iranian nation," he said, according to the state-run news agency.

[Janie2006]

Ahmadinejad, whose hard-line tactics have faced criticism from both reformists and conservatives at home, also hinted Thursday that decisions in Iran are made by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, not him.

"The general policies of the system are made by the Exalted Supreme Leader, and the government is required to carry them out," the state news agency quoted Ahmadinejad as saying. "The president, as the head of the country's executive body, pursues and announces the nuclear position."

Khamenei has made remarks recently which indicate that he is not in agreement with some of the decisions Ahmadinejad has made. If he is the "supreme leader" in Iran, then I suspect at some point he will pull rank on the president and call a halt to the sabre-rattling. In fact, it is not inconceivable that he may be replaced if things go too far. Therefore, the US decision to deploy the Stennis and other units to the Gulf is most likely a way of putting pressure on the Iranian elites....a way of encouraging the clerics to back down.

In any case, it is clear that Ahmadinejad is not capable of making unilateral decisions. It is also clear that he faces significant opposition from both the left and the right. Under these circumstances his position is much weaker than it might seem from the outside. I have to wonder how much of his public output is meant for domestic opponets. I'm not convinced that he is anywhere near as strong as the news media makes him out to be.

[Derek Ortt]

The islamic leaders have tried to reign in Ahmadinejad in the past and have failed miserably.

I have heard on the Glenn Beck program that they even tried to assasinate him and failed miserably

[cycloneye]

Iran's Expansion of Nuclear Program put to test



The above article is a very interesting one that the members have to read,where it refers to how far or how close may be Iran from having a Nuclear Weapon.Also Ahmadinejad is playing local politics to assure full support for his nuclear ambitions as there haved been some cracks inside Iran to support his policys.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has become the face of Iranian defiance, is under growing pressure at home because of unemployment and the squeeze of economic sanctions — and President Bush’s advisers have said he may view a nuclear standoff with the United States as a way to help his standing. That, combined with evidence of problems at the pilot plant, suggest that the industrial push may be aimed as much at enriching Iran’s political leverage as enriching uranium.

[Yarrah]

In any case, it is clear that Ahmadinejad is not capable of making unilateral decisions. It is also clear that he faces significant opposition from both the left and the right. Under these circumstances his position is much weaker than it might seem from the outside. I have to wonder how much of his public output is meant for domestic opponets. I'm not convinced that he is anywhere near as strong as the news media makes him out to be.

Also, a large part of the population (69 million people) are pro-western and have adopted a western life-style (even though they're affraid to openly admit and this lifestyle). A survey in 2002 from the Majlis, an important legislative body in Iran, showed that 74% of the people surveyed wanted Iran to have a better relationship with the US.

That, combined with evidence of problems at the pilot plant, suggest that the industrial push may be aimed as much at enriching Iran’s political leverage as enriching uranium.

As I've stated before, this is just to make Iran's position in that region and the rest of the world stronger and to increase their idea of safety.

[cycloneye]

Iran Nuclear Scientist assasinated by Mossad



A PRIZE-WINNING Iranian nuclear scientist has died in mysterious circumstances, according to Radio Farda, which is funded by the US State Department and broadcasts to Iran.
An intelligence source suggested that Ardeshire Hassanpour, 44, a nuclear physicist, had been assassinated by Mossad, the Israeli security service.


Israel is inserting more and more into this standoff by doing this.I dont know but I have a feeling that Israel,not the U.S. is going to strike first the Nuclear Plants.

[kevin]

We have no proof that Mossad did this, though its not beyond their capabilities.

"Iranian scientist dies mysteriously, possible Mossad connection?" is the more true phrase.

[cycloneye]

Iran will announce on Febuary 11 a big nuclear expansion



The Iranian news agency said an upcoming dramatic announcement on Iran's nuclear "rights" would be made on February 11. The report was accompanied by a series of announcements heralding alleged Iranian technological and medical breakthroughs, including an "AIDS cure."

Ahmadinejad's "administration is going to publicize the country's remarkable progresses and achievements within the coming days," the Fars news agency said.

"The Iranian president also reiterated that February 11 is the day when the Iranian nation's inalienable right to access and use nuclear technology will be established," the agency added.

"The Iranian nation will celebrate stabilization and establishment of its nuclear rights during the Ten-Day Dawn, (sic)" Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying. The "ten-day dawn" in early February marks the date of the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979.

It remains to be seen if this announcement that Ahmadinejad will make on Febuary 11th is about challenging the U.S and Israel or it's local politics talk for internal purpose as there are some that dont like what this guy is doing about the nuclear program.

[cycloneye]

Iranian Diplomat Seized in Iraq



Iran is protesting this.

[cycloneye]

Iran Prepared to Teach a Lesson to Agressors if Attacked



More blah,blah,blah from Iran.

[Yarrah]

[b]More blah,blah,blah from Iran.

Ah well, as the saying here goes: barking dogs don't bite.