Iran Nuclear Standoff

[Cyclenall]

Maybe we should test some of our nukes ........In Iran............

Perhaps it may be just me but, does anyone else find this grossly offensive?

Yes, I find it offensive as well.

[cycloneye]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. will respond 'firmly' if Iran escalates military actions President Bush said Monday the United States "will respond firmly" if Iran escalates military action in Iraq and endangers American forces. But Bush emphasized he has no intention of invading Iran.

Bush also acknowledged skepticism concerning U.S. intelligence about Iran, because Washington was wrong in accusing Iraq of harboring weapons of mass destruction before the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. "I'm like a lot of Americans that say, 'Well, if it wasn't right in Iraq, how do you know it's right in Iran,"' the president said.
President Bush says,U.S. does not have intentions to invade Iran

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01 ... index.html

The U.S. will not invade Iran according to President Bush in an interview.However,the U.S. will attack and kill Iranian operatives inside Iraq.

[SouthFloridawx]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. will respond 'firmly' if Iran escalates military actions Eds: President Bush said Monday the United States "will respond firmly" if Iran escalates military action in Iraq and endangers American forces. But Bush emphasized he has no intention of invading Iran.

Bush also acknowledged skepticism concerning U.S. intelligence about Iran, because Washington was wrong in accusing Iraq of harboring weapons of mass destruction before the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. "I'm like a lot of Americans that say, 'Well, if it wasn't right in Iraq, how do you know it's right in Iran,"' the president said.
President Bush says,U.S. does not have intentions to invade Iran

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01 ... index.html

The U.S. will not invade Iran according to President Bush in an interview.However,the U.S. will attack and kill Iranian operatives inside Iraq.

Attacking another nation using weapons is still a declaration of war. It is interesting that our government is so easy to lead us into war and diplomacy has seemed to cease to exist. However if you criticize the war efforts your not american or unpatriotic. I am against another war against another middle eastern country. In fact this may provoke other nations to try to race to provide themselves with weapons in order to protect thier own.

Let's not forget... the people in the middle east are people just like you and I. Just because they don't believe in our ideals and values doesn't make it right for us to say they are right or wrong in what they believe.

I tend to believe that it is actually kind of crazy to believe that some rouge islamic facsists in the middle east are going to bring our way of life and country down. In fact, I think we are creating a new generation of people that are more suseptible to joining the Islamic Extremists, because of all the problems that are going on now in the middle east. I think it is in the best interests that we do pull out of iraq and do not provoke a war with Iran. Eventhough there are Islamic Fascists in the middle east... we do not have to right to occupy a country. No matter how you look at it... we are fighting in a pre-emptive war and the occupation of Soverign Nation. It's time we let them fight it out for themselves.

Anyway... hope it's possible for people to hear other opinions other than we should go to war and we should blow em up.

[conestogo_flood]

Food for thought...

A Nostradamus prediction here...

War & slaughter close to the millennium, Century 10, Quatrain 74.

"The year of the great Seventh number accomplished: it will appear at the time of the games of slaughter. Not far from the age of the great Millennium when the dead will come out of their graves."

Comment: Somewhere near the millennium, at a date indicated by the seventh number, at a time when there will be a war in progress, the dead will rise from their graves. Does this refer to a literal judgment day as some religions believe? Or does it mean that those that are in the spirit world will finally have had it with the ego-centric human race, and intervene in world affairs? Watch for this one!

Kind of creepy.
The Great Seven- 2007
Games of slaughter - Iraq?
Not far from the millennum - We aren't

[Derek Ortt]

Nostradamus is a false prophet, which is spoken about in Revelations

That aside, if Iran attacks our troops, they have declared war against us, and we should then bring about their unconditional surrender by all means possible. We CANNOT set the precedent that a country can commit acts of war against the USA, without having to face the full force of the US military

[SouthFloridawx]

Nostradamus is a false prophet, which is spoken about in Revelations

That aside, if Iran attacks our troops, they have declared war against us, and we should then bring about their unconditional surrender by all means possible. We CANNOT set the precedent that a country can commit acts of war against the USA, without having to face the full force of the US military

Such propaganda...

[Derek Ortt]

what propaganda?

Stick to the facts, not your political agenda as this is a non-political forum. If you want other countries attacking your country, there is always Lebanon

[Janie2006]

LOL!!

As if 3/4 of these posts aren't political! Let's drop the semantic games, eh?

[vbhoutex]

FAIR WARNING!!! TOO MANY POLITICAL OPINIONS BEING THROWN INTO THIS THREAD!!!

Since its inception this thread has managed to stay somewhat non-politicial. It needs to stay that way. Please keep your opinions about the war(s) to yourselves or suspensions will follow and this thread will be removed from the board. This is a pubolic warning to anyone posting in this thread and if suspensions are to be handed out their will be no warning.

[SouthFloridawx]

Nostradamus is a false prophet, which is spoken about in Revelations

That aside, if Iran attacks our troops, they have declared war against us, and we should then bring about their unconditional surrender by all means possible. We CANNOT set the precedent that a country can commit acts of war against the USA, without having to face the full force of the US military

That full force of the US military means the death and destruction to not only the perpetrators but, also innocent people who have nothing to do with it. It is the ideals of people like yourself, the US government and the Iranians for condoning, nuclear proliferation on either side of the front.

The fact of the matter is that, just because the media machine says it's true doesn't actually make it true. It's about time people need to realize that it's not always what it's made out to be. People die in war... it usually ends up being the people that had nothing to do with perptrating it.

If you are able to condone such a war with another country such as this one the, you should go over there yourself and fight. Do not offer so freely the services of the people who so urgently and honorably protect and defend this great country.

I find it often strange that, "armchair" warriors send thier troops to battle so quickly and do not lend themselves and thier lives to the battle.

Please, if you wish... some of us actually have family members currently serving in wartime and hope that they come home safely. Some of those people include myself.

Please go sign up if you wish to offer thier services so loosly, just because the media says' that Iran is enriching uranium. We have more nuclear warheads than all of the other countries in the world combined.

To the moderators... I apologize if this may sound political but, I assure you that none of my reasoning behind this, is at all political and purely based upon my want for peace on this earth. If you must delete this and ban me as a member then so be it. But, if people can talking nuking another country, I believe I should be able to speak back about it.

[harshrealm]

Nostradamus is a false prophet, which is spoken about in Revelations

That aside, if Iran attacks our troops, they have declared war against us, and we should then bring about their unconditional surrender by all means possible. We CANNOT set the precedent that a country can commit acts of war against the USA, without having to face the full force of the US military

Revelations talks about Nostradamus? Sweet.

Acts of war against us? Attacking Iraq IS NOT the same as attacking the United States. Wasn't Iran battling with Iraq even when Saddam was in charge. Unless I missed something in the news recently. Did Iran attack us?

[SouthFloridawx]

I would like to add a few more things.

Respectively... although people have this unbridled faith in the Government and the Media...

How do you know that the information that you are reading is accurate? How does one have such a blind faith without questioning the source and it's verifiability?

It is one thing to have faith and love your country. It is honorable to love and support the troops... However if no one questions our government on it's motives and make them verify the statements they pass along to us and we never read the media from the other side, then how do we have the whole story?

Perhaps like in all situations, arguments and fights there is more than one side.

I do not believe when I question my government, it's policies and the information they pass along to us... it's not just right but, it's also my constitutional right, privledge and duty as a citizen of this country to question it's motives.

This war is NOT making us safer and it's not making Iraq safer. They will never be able to understand a culture like ours. We like all children as they grow into adulthood become what they are because they live the experiences they do. Not because someone wants to force something upon them.

I do realize that some in Iraq want democracy... that is for them to figure out.

I do not believe in war....

I only believe in self DEFENSE... Iran only poses a threat to us in the middle east and not here at home.

Subsequently, we should withdraw our forces from Iraq and the Middle East. We should provide our own country with renewable resources so we don't have to bring, "Democracy" to a country.

As far as attacking Iran... well there is nothing that I can do to stop that. We have in like in many respects are trying to occupy the middle east.

Ask yourself one question.

Do not be a "good american" and support unbridled everything that is passed along to you.

We need to use diplomacy first... just because they attack us doesn't mean we just strike back with all of our capabilities...

You always... resort to violence as a very very very last resort. They couldn't attack us in Iraq if we weren't there.

But, really though... it's very unrealistic to think we aren't creating new enemies being there in the middle east.

The founding father believed we shouldn't mess in international affairs. There is a reason why.

[cycloneye]

It's a no win situation when wars anywhere in the world starts as we haved witnessed in the past wars in past centuries.If the planet Earth would have peace all around,the planet would be a paradise to live in.However,we know that is not the case as all the time small and more bigger wars start somewhere in the world.

As the administrator said in above post with a warning,let's refrain from pure politics in this thread and continue to discuss all about what Iran intentions are in respect to their Nuclear Program and what will the U.S. and Israel will do if anything to counter that.Also let's discuss about the new chapter in the Iran situation and that is Iran's roll inside Iraq.

[cycloneye]

More evidence of Iran's roll inside Iraq



More and more evidence that Iran is playing a big roll inside Iraq.

[cycloneye]

NBC NEWS confirms a secret U.S. military report that says 'Iranian Agents' may be behind a deadly ambush in Karbala, Iraq that left five American soldiers dead. The report also claims the Iranian revolutionary guard is providing intelligence on U.S. and Iraqi military to Shiite extremists, in addition to sophisticated weaponry.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Breaking News about this secret report of Iran being behind the ambush that killed 5 U.S soldiers in Iraq.

[Brent]

NBC NEWS confirms a secret U.S. military report that says 'Iranian Agents' may be behind a deadly ambush in Karbala, Iraq that left five American soldiers dead. The report also claims the Iranian revolutionary guard is providing intelligence on U.S. and Iraqi military to Shiite extremists, in addition to sophisticated weaponry.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Breaking News about this secret report of Iran being behind the ambush that killed 5 U.S soldiers in Iraq.

Well that is lovely.

[x-y-no]

NBC NEWS confirms a secret U.S. military report that says 'Iranian Agents' may be behind a deadly ambush in Karbala, Iraq that left five American soldiers dead. The report also claims the Iranian revolutionary guard is providing intelligence on U.S. and Iraqi military to Shiite extremists, in addition to sophisticated weaponry.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Breaking News about this secret report of Iran being behind the ambush that killed 5 U.S soldiers in Iraq.

"may be"

And the evidence for this, according to the reports I saw on all three cable news channels, is that in the opinion of the authors this operation was too sophisticated for Iraqis to do on their own.

I'm sorry, but isn't Iraq the country that gave Iran all it could handle in the '80s war? There sure wasn't any indication then that Iraqis are fundamentally less intelligent or clever or sophisticated than Iranians are. I'd say that "evidence" is no evidence at all. This all is eerily reminiscent of the "evidence" that was leaked in the buildup to the Iraq war.


I don't doubt that the Iranians are doing some things in support of various factional elements in Iraq - and clearly we ought to pressure them to stop that and to the extent Iranian agents are operationg in Iraq I consider them fair game. But what they're doing (as far as I can tell) is no different than what we did against the Soviets in Afghanistan, or that the Soviets and the Chinese did against us in Vietnam (to name just two of many examples). Yet all those past proxy wars never led to direct conflict between the pricipals, thank God. Similarly, we can't allow anger to overcome our reason in this case.

[Yarrah]

Interesting, not a single newspaper or news channel here has mentioned this 'possible' infiltration in Iraq by Iran.

[conestogo_flood]

CNN has been reporting it this morning.

[cycloneye]

Iran vows that never they will end it's nuclear program



"Iranian people, with faith in God, wisdom and resistance, will defend their inalienable rights... and celebrate the realization of their peaceful nuclear rights" Ahmadinejad said Wednesday.

It will come to a point when the patience of Israel and the U.S. will end.