Iran Nuclear Standoff

[Stratosphere747]

You think that destroying an entire country is the right thing to do?

Yes, I think that is precisely the right thing to do.

Would you rather have them give nukes to Iran and have Iran attack us through terrorism? Or would you rather we dealt with it once and for all

No offense, and if I am warned, so be it... Stick to weather.

You have a callous way of looking at world events…

[MGC]

Put yourself in the place of the Israelis, surrounded by millions of Arabs that want you wiped off the face of the Earth. What would you do? Israel is in a fight for its life. If the Arabs think they are in a position of power over Israel do you not think they will attack like the Arabs did in 67 or 73? If Iran build a bomb do you think they will stop at Israel? Iran and NK will have to be dealt with eventually. Who cares if oil goes up to 100 dollars a barrel....MGC

[Stratosphere747]

Put yourself in the place of the Israelis, surrounded by millions of Arabs that want you wiped off the face of the Earth. What would you do? Israel is in a fight for its life. If the Arabs think they are in a position of power over Israel do you not think they will attack like the Arabs did in 67 or 73? If Iran build a bomb do you think they will stop at Israel? Iran and NK will have to be dealt with eventually. Who cares if oil goes up to 100 dollars a barrel....MGC

No quarrels at all with your statement MGC, and I would love to get into a debate with others on this matter.

Just not an argument/discussion that we can get into on this board.

[HarlequinBoy]

You think that destroying an entire country is the right thing to do?

Yes, I think that is precisely the right thing to do.

Would you rather have them give nukes to Iran and have Iran attack us through terrorism? Or would you rather we dealt with it once and for all

I don't mean this offensively, but how can you say that? Think of all the people that live there. All the children, all the lives. I feel sick to my stomach just thinking about so much bloodshed. Sorry.

Put yourself in the place of the Israelis, surrounded by millions of Arabs that want you wiped off the face of the Earth. What would you do? Israel is in a fight for its life. If the Arabs think they are in a position of power over Israel do you not think they will attack like the Arabs did in 67 or 73? If Iran build a bomb do you think they will stop at Israel? Iran and NK will have to be dealt with eventually. Who cares if oil goes up to 100 dollars a barrel....MGC

Hmm, I never thought of it like that. That's a good point. When you think of it like that if Israel were to attack the nuclear plants that Iran has I think it would be justifiable. As long as they do their best not to harm any civilians.. which I'm sure they would try their best on. lol

[Meso]

The thing is that there is still no evidence that they are building a bomb,It's like putting a man to death on suspicion of a crime.Once there is clear hard evidence one can take steps.And by steps I mean humane ones.I can't believe how some people act saying they should bomb the whole country,people obviously don't give a crap about human life (at least that of Iran lives)[Which if the case is just racist].

People just believe too many things they hear in the media and from higher governmental officials.And as if they are hypnotized,they just follow whatever they say without even giving it a decent thought themselves and actually considering the reality.

Don't get me wrong,I am all against ANY country having nuclear bombs.But there are civilized ways to do things,without just following some savage "Kill them all" attitude which so many people seem to have.Can you imagine if foreign people acted like that against America (The armies) on suspicion of American doing something they didn't like.(And terrorist attacks don't count as they are small groups not the nations army).

Human lives are human lives,no matter what nationality.Would America be happy if they had some bad seeds around who lets say set off 1 or 2 bombs in another country,and then that country came and killed innocent children for the lives of those few bad seeds.Your sons,your daughters..the ones you love.

Overall,I am pleased to read that not everyone thinks so inhumanely and 'trigger happy' about war.But it is sad to see some who still don't seem to realize how savage their intentions are.

<3

[Derek Ortt]

I dont believe that the Iranian people want to be eradicated

However, if it ever becomes us or one of our allies or them, I would choose them

[Derek Ortt]

The thing is that there is still no evidence that they are building a bomb,It's like putting a man to death on suspicion of a crime.Once there is clear hard evidence one can take steps.And by steps I mean humane ones.I can't believe how some people act saying they should bomb the whole country,people obviously don't give a crap about human life (at least that of Iran lives)[Which if the case is just racist].

No evidence? Come on

And no, we should NEVER negotiate with Iran. We should be demanding their unconditional surrender. That is how one deals with those types of governments. Israel has tried negotiating, and it helps nothing

[cycloneye]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull


Jan. 8, 2007 16:10
Iran threatens to stop oil flow via Hormuz strait
By JPOST.COM STAFF


A senior Iranian officer warned that if the West continues to threaten Iran's economy over its nuclear program, Teheran will discontinue the flow of oil via the Strait of Hormuz, Israel Radio reported Monday.

According to the officer, 40% of the world's oil is transferred through the strait, and the world is dependent on Iran for a source of energy and a stable economy.

Iran's spiritual leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, added that Iran cannot allow itself to give up the right to develop its nuclear technology program.


Let's see if they do it.If they shut the Straits of Hormuz to shipping then they will pay as the U.S. fleet will go into action disbanding them.

[Derek Ortt]

they tried that in 1988... and had to run to Saddam for peace terms as Reagan dropped half of their surface fleet in one afternoon

I am not worried... unless our spines have decomposed in the last 17 years

[JonathanBelles]

where is the Strait of Hormuz?

[Brent]

where is the Strait of Hormuz?

[JonathanBelles]

thanks.

[cycloneye]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The United States is expected to announce sanctions against Bank Sepah, a big Iranian commercial bank, under a presidential order aimed at freezing the assets of proliferators of weapons of mass destruction and their supporters, several U.S. officials and diplomats said on Monday.

The action is expected to be announced soon, the officials told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Undersecretary of Treasury Stuart Levey, who leads U.S. efforts to combat terrorist financing and money laundering, has called a news conference for Tuesday to make an announcement on Iran but his office declined to disclose details.

The new sanctions -- under an executive order President George W. Bush signed in June 2005 -- reflects the administration's determination to use U.S. authorities to pressure Iran to abandon its nuclear program, something Tehran has repeatedly insisted it will not do.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/09/ ... index.html

Let's see if things like this kind of action taken by the U.S. is made by other countries to see if they change course about the Nuclear program.It's not have to be bombings or invasions but a economic stick that can do harm.Time will tell if the economic sanctions will work.

[cycloneye]

I recently ordered the deployment of an additional carrier strike group to the region. We will expand intelligence sharing – and deploy Patriot air defense systems to reassure our friends and allies. We will work with the governments of Turkey and Iraq to help them resolve problems along their border. And we will work with others to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons and dominating the region.


The above is a small part of the address that president Bush gave last night that refers to increasing the deployment of Navy ships in the Persian Gulf to let the Iranians know that the U.S. is keeping an eye on them.

[conestogo_flood]

This is all like the movie The Day After. Just minus the Cold War and Russia.

Everytime I check this thread, I get deja vu.

[brunota2003]

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi officials said Thursday that multinational forces detained as many as six Iranians in an overnight raid on Tehran's diplomatic mission in the northern city of Irbil, just hours after President Bush gave details about his new military plan for Iraq.
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070111/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
Now...that is rather interesting, and is tightening tensions even more...

[JTD]

I was watching MSNBC late last night. They had an interview with Brian Williams and Tim Russert who spent the day with the president yesterday and had off the record conversations. They both came away with the impression that regime change may be in the cards for Iran.

[Brent]

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi officials said Thursday that multinational forces detained as many as six Iranians in an overnight raid on Tehran's diplomatic mission in the northern city of Irbil, just hours after President Bush gave details about his new military plan for Iraq.
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070111/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
Now...that is rather interesting, and is tightening tensions even more...

...and Bush mentioned in the speech last night patriot missile batteries that had been set up and mentioned the ship positioned off the coast. He didn't mention Iran by name, but both of those things made me think of it.

[cycloneye]

Speaking hours after US troops raided Iran's consulate in the northern Iraqi city of Arbil and arrested five employees, Rice said Washington was determined to crack down on Iran's "regional aggression".

Rice declined to comment specifically on the operation in Arbil, which came shortly after President George W. Bush announced a new US strategy to end the violence in Iraq that included stepped up moves to counter Iranian and Syrian involvement in the country.

She also declined in three television interviews Thursday morning to rule out US military action against Iran, which she and Bush accused of supporting anti-US insurgents and "terrorists" in Iraq and of trying to develop nuclear weapons.

"I don't want to speculate on what operations the United States may be engaged in, but you will see that the United States is not going to simply stand idly by and let these activities continue," she said.


http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/1 ... sdjv9.html

This standoff is getting hot as the days pass by.I dont know,but my take about what is going on is that something will happen (Hopefully not) or Israel going alone and doing what they hinted a few days ago or the U.S. sending planes to bomb the plants.

[cycloneye]

This is all like the movie The Day After. Just minus the Cold War and Russia.

Everytime I check this thread, I get deja vu.

Yes,it's deja vu once again.