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Yup, Furry and family, welcome to California! Too early in the season for this kind of situation....but the heat is definitely on and making the risk higher.
Be safe. With our sons, daughter in law, and Emma out that way, we are always paying attention to the fire situation.
Be safe always. How did you like Sea World?
Be safe. With our sons, daughter in law, and Emma out that way, we are always paying attention to the fire situation.
Be safe always. How did you like Sea World?
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We never drove out to see where the fire actually was today....it hit the 100 degree mark inland in Escondito outside of San Diego at the Wild Animal Park we went to...did I say we were staying home today? lol We became Members of the Zoo today, and will be visiting the San Diego Zoo next week. It was KILLER hot...who said I could handle this hot dry heat? OMG...it was like an oven door being opened up...it's 82* presently, at 9 : 22 if that tells you anything! We ended up going back to Sea World to ride the water ride and get "Doused" by Shamu again, when we left the Wild Animal Park. We needed cooled!
Not sure what happened with the fire here today, if anyone knows, please post it here and let me know....lol I know 2 small fires broke out by Twin Peaks, and Lake Arrowhead in the San Bernardino Mnts today, but were quickly contained. Looks like it's going to be a challenging fire season for California.
Not sure what happened with the fire here today, if anyone knows, please post it here and let me know....lol I know 2 small fires broke out by Twin Peaks, and Lake Arrowhead in the San Bernardino Mnts today, but were quickly contained. Looks like it's going to be a challenging fire season for California.
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I'm SO glad to hear everything is OK for you Shannon! I didn't mean to get everyone fired up over this, I was going on what I heard on the news, ALL they said was, "The wildfire in Temecula!" Naturally, all I could think of was "OH S***!" Not AGAIN!
Now....here's an interesting article, sounds like this COULD be the year
God I hope not BUT.....they say, third times a charm, the Rodeo Chediski 2 years ago, The Kinishba Fire last year.......
Local officials say they're ready for 'extreme' fire season
By: Donna Rescorla , The Independent 04/27/2004
"If a fire started at Carrizo Junction or Forest Dale canyon and the Forest Service doesn't catch it, it will burn homes in Show Low, Wagon Wheel and Pinetop-Lakeside within three hours.'
Larry Dunagan
HOLBROOK - County emergency services and law enforcement as well as firefighters are prepared for another extreme fire season.
"The news we are facing this year is not hopeful," Emergency Services Director Larry Dunagan told county supervisors at their April 19 meeting. "The risk is equal to or more than the risk we faced in 2002 before the Rodeo-Chediski Fire. They are predicting higher temperatures and less precipitation."
In background material provided to the supervisors, it stated large fire potential was to be normal through the end of April. After that, the potential will be above normal. The U.S. Drought Monitor for April 13 indicates the entire area of Northeastern Arizona is in an extreme drought condition, the fourth highest level for drought intensity.
"The sea surface temperature in the Pacific is in the negative since 1996," Dunagan said. "This is the first time since the '50s and only nature knows when that will change."
That situation which creates the El Nino and La Nina weather phenomena, is causing the drought in this area, he said.
"Things don't look good," he said. "But we have mapped our strategy with law enforcement on evacuation. We are up-to-date with them with our plans. We have also met with the fire departments and districts, most of whom are doing cross-training for wildland fires.
"If a fire started at Carrizo Junction or Forest Dale canyon and the Forest Service doesn't catch it, it will burn homes in Show Low, Wagon Wheel and Pinetop-Lakeside within three hours. We are right at the top of danger areas in the state and that's not very encouraging.
"All we can do is prepare. The Forest Service is at near normal staffing except for engine crews."
Asked by District II Supervisor Jesse Thompson if they had contacted all the agencies, especially those in the Apache Tribe, Dunagan said they had talked to them all, stating they suffered the same.
"We are trying to prepare," Dunagan said. "It's just a matter of when and where it starts."
District I Supervisor Percy Deal said he isn't pointing to anything exciting in the future but "based on the past two year's experience, how much more prepared are we this time around? As far as resources are concerned, will they be available?
"Also the second issue is we have seen the devastation done by the bark beetle in Apache and Navajo counties and I don't see any government vehicle to do something. Are you aware of anything occurring to correct this situation?"
Dunagan said some projects are being implemented, mostly in municipalities, to clear dead wood. In the Webber Fire earlier this spring, he said, when the fire hit the bark beetle infested area, it acted like a match striking the area.
"The bark beetle and drought have killed more trees than all the fires combined," he said. "The beetles will go to swarm soon and it will affect thousands of acres. Aerial spraying doesn't work. We need a truck with a pump straying the trees."
District IV Supervisor Pete Shumway said the Forest Service is doing some spraying around camp sites. It also has a number of small contracts for thinning in the Ski-Hi Retreat area. Bids for the stewardship contract for 150,000 acres are due June 3.
"Some things are happening but not fast enough to curb the crisis this year," he said. "The situation is critical in our communities as well as in the wild lands. In these critical times, we have to be prepared. Some climatologists say we are in the sixth year of a 40-year drought."
Pointing out the 10 year contract for 150,000 acres, means only 15,000 acres a year will be thinned, Deal asked if the 15,000 acres would all be in one area.
"They will be scattered," Shumway said. "We all know this is not enough. The problem has been developing for a 50 to 75 to 100-year period and there is not enough dollars to take care of the problem.
"The Forest Service says it would like to expand the stewardship contracts to handle a larger area so we can at least manage fires. We get winds from the fires plus the naturally occurring winds and it's a very dangerous area. We have been very fortunate that in the fires in our area we have not lost lives."
District V Supervisor Jerry Brownlow said, "I think we are way ahead of where we were two years ago. In my district, people are real confident. After all, this is just another fire season. Old-timers say be prepared for the worst but hope for the best."
"One of the things I'm most concerned about is if we have to ask people to evacuate," Sheriff Gary Butler said. "Many say they will not go, that last time they were evacuated too early and allowed to come home too late.
"When we have a fire with the potential to take out a community, if people do not evacuate. we could have deaths. If a fire starts in a residential area, it's going to be a problem. I can't stress enough that if we ask people to evacuate, they need to go when we say. If a fire comes into a neighborhood, we are not going to be able to get people out. If a fire blocks a cul de sac, and there are a lot in the Pinetop Country Club area, residents are not going to be able to get out."
People can stay if they choose but if they keep their children with them, they could be charged with child endangerment, he said. They also have to stay on their own property. If they are seen in another location, they will be escorted outside the evacuation zone.
"I want to tell the board and the public we are probably as ready as we will ever be for any fire," he said. "We have all the fire departments trained for wildland fires."
Butler said he is also concerned about terrorism which could make any fire worse.
"Last year during the Kinishba Fire, five arson fires were started outside the fire zone," he said. "These man-made fires are terrorism. We will be out looking for fire starters. I'm sure terrorists have thought how easy it is to take out a community by starting a forest fire.
"As we prepare for the fire season, I need to stress that we need public cooperation."
At the end of their presentation, Dunagan told the supervisors a test of the Emergency Alert System would be held from 7-8 p.m. May 5 in the south part of Show Low, Wagon Wheel and part of the north end of Lakeside. The approximately 1,000 homes involved are in five different telephone exchanges and are at high risk if a forest fire hits.
"We are 99.99 percent sure it's going to work," he said. "This will be the first major test for the system which can contact one person or 10,000 people at one time."
Dennis
Now....here's an interesting article, sounds like this COULD be the year
God I hope not BUT.....they say, third times a charm, the Rodeo Chediski 2 years ago, The Kinishba Fire last year.......
Local officials say they're ready for 'extreme' fire season
By: Donna Rescorla , The Independent 04/27/2004
"If a fire started at Carrizo Junction or Forest Dale canyon and the Forest Service doesn't catch it, it will burn homes in Show Low, Wagon Wheel and Pinetop-Lakeside within three hours.'
Larry Dunagan
HOLBROOK - County emergency services and law enforcement as well as firefighters are prepared for another extreme fire season.
"The news we are facing this year is not hopeful," Emergency Services Director Larry Dunagan told county supervisors at their April 19 meeting. "The risk is equal to or more than the risk we faced in 2002 before the Rodeo-Chediski Fire. They are predicting higher temperatures and less precipitation."
In background material provided to the supervisors, it stated large fire potential was to be normal through the end of April. After that, the potential will be above normal. The U.S. Drought Monitor for April 13 indicates the entire area of Northeastern Arizona is in an extreme drought condition, the fourth highest level for drought intensity.
"The sea surface temperature in the Pacific is in the negative since 1996," Dunagan said. "This is the first time since the '50s and only nature knows when that will change."
That situation which creates the El Nino and La Nina weather phenomena, is causing the drought in this area, he said.
"Things don't look good," he said. "But we have mapped our strategy with law enforcement on evacuation. We are up-to-date with them with our plans. We have also met with the fire departments and districts, most of whom are doing cross-training for wildland fires.
"If a fire started at Carrizo Junction or Forest Dale canyon and the Forest Service doesn't catch it, it will burn homes in Show Low, Wagon Wheel and Pinetop-Lakeside within three hours. We are right at the top of danger areas in the state and that's not very encouraging.
"All we can do is prepare. The Forest Service is at near normal staffing except for engine crews."
Asked by District II Supervisor Jesse Thompson if they had contacted all the agencies, especially those in the Apache Tribe, Dunagan said they had talked to them all, stating they suffered the same.
"We are trying to prepare," Dunagan said. "It's just a matter of when and where it starts."
District I Supervisor Percy Deal said he isn't pointing to anything exciting in the future but "based on the past two year's experience, how much more prepared are we this time around? As far as resources are concerned, will they be available?
"Also the second issue is we have seen the devastation done by the bark beetle in Apache and Navajo counties and I don't see any government vehicle to do something. Are you aware of anything occurring to correct this situation?"
Dunagan said some projects are being implemented, mostly in municipalities, to clear dead wood. In the Webber Fire earlier this spring, he said, when the fire hit the bark beetle infested area, it acted like a match striking the area.
"The bark beetle and drought have killed more trees than all the fires combined," he said. "The beetles will go to swarm soon and it will affect thousands of acres. Aerial spraying doesn't work. We need a truck with a pump straying the trees."
District IV Supervisor Pete Shumway said the Forest Service is doing some spraying around camp sites. It also has a number of small contracts for thinning in the Ski-Hi Retreat area. Bids for the stewardship contract for 150,000 acres are due June 3.
"Some things are happening but not fast enough to curb the crisis this year," he said. "The situation is critical in our communities as well as in the wild lands. In these critical times, we have to be prepared. Some climatologists say we are in the sixth year of a 40-year drought."
Pointing out the 10 year contract for 150,000 acres, means only 15,000 acres a year will be thinned, Deal asked if the 15,000 acres would all be in one area.
"They will be scattered," Shumway said. "We all know this is not enough. The problem has been developing for a 50 to 75 to 100-year period and there is not enough dollars to take care of the problem.
"The Forest Service says it would like to expand the stewardship contracts to handle a larger area so we can at least manage fires. We get winds from the fires plus the naturally occurring winds and it's a very dangerous area. We have been very fortunate that in the fires in our area we have not lost lives."
District V Supervisor Jerry Brownlow said, "I think we are way ahead of where we were two years ago. In my district, people are real confident. After all, this is just another fire season. Old-timers say be prepared for the worst but hope for the best."
"One of the things I'm most concerned about is if we have to ask people to evacuate," Sheriff Gary Butler said. "Many say they will not go, that last time they were evacuated too early and allowed to come home too late.
"When we have a fire with the potential to take out a community, if people do not evacuate. we could have deaths. If a fire starts in a residential area, it's going to be a problem. I can't stress enough that if we ask people to evacuate, they need to go when we say. If a fire comes into a neighborhood, we are not going to be able to get people out. If a fire blocks a cul de sac, and there are a lot in the Pinetop Country Club area, residents are not going to be able to get out."
People can stay if they choose but if they keep their children with them, they could be charged with child endangerment, he said. They also have to stay on their own property. If they are seen in another location, they will be escorted outside the evacuation zone.
"I want to tell the board and the public we are probably as ready as we will ever be for any fire," he said. "We have all the fire departments trained for wildland fires."
Butler said he is also concerned about terrorism which could make any fire worse.
"Last year during the Kinishba Fire, five arson fires were started outside the fire zone," he said. "These man-made fires are terrorism. We will be out looking for fire starters. I'm sure terrorists have thought how easy it is to take out a community by starting a forest fire.
"As we prepare for the fire season, I need to stress that we need public cooperation."
At the end of their presentation, Dunagan told the supervisors a test of the Emergency Alert System would be held from 7-8 p.m. May 5 in the south part of Show Low, Wagon Wheel and part of the north end of Lakeside. The approximately 1,000 homes involved are in five different telephone exchanges and are at high risk if a forest fire hits.
"We are 99.99 percent sure it's going to work," he said. "This will be the first major test for the system which can contact one person or 10,000 people at one time."
Dennis
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Arsonist targets forest
RESPONSE: Firefighters mount massive assault on flames. "Everybody rolls," an official says.
01:05 AM PDT on Tuesday, April 27, 2004
By GREGOR McGAVIN / The Press-Enterprise
Within minutes - as five arson fires ignited Monday along Highway 189 in Twin Peaks - fire crews from throughout the surrounding mountain towns scrambled to prevent a repeat of the deadly fires that swept through six months ago.
Related
Arsonist targets forest
'Everybody's looking for him right now'
Residents come to rescue at fire
Years of drought have turned the dead and dying trees around Lake Arrowhead into just so much tinder.
"We don't have any room to make a mistake on this," said Peter Brierty, San Bernardino County's fire marshal. "That's why everybody rolls. When the bell goes off, everybody rolls."
Stan Lim / The Press-Enterprise
U.S. Forest Service firefighter David Sween hoses down hot spots at one of the five arson fires set in the San Bernardino National Forest.
The overwhelming response - some 120 firefighters from state, local and federal firefighting agencies throughout the mountain towns - highlights a stepped-up policy that San Bernardino County and national forest fire officials adopted more than a year ago and which they say is more crucial than ever now.
It's a tact that fire officials throughout the Inland area are taking: Throw every available resource at the fires. Put the flames out before they get out of hand.
Five blazes in circle
All five fires - which formed a circle along Highway 189 near Highway 18 - were declared under control by 11:45 a.m. No one was hurt in the fires, the largest of which was about a quarter of an acre, nor were any homes or other structures damaged.
"In terms of acreage it's not that serious, but we're kind of sensitive to these things up here," said John Miller, a spokesman for the U.S. Forest Service. "October just wasn't that far away."
The fires were a chilling reminder for those who live and work in the mountains of the arsonist-set Old Fire that swept through six months ago. The Old Fire charred more than 91,000 acres and destroyed hundreds of homes in the forest. That case remains unsolved.
"Oh no, here we go again," said Cindy Winchell, 41, who watched as the Old Fire crept within a mile of her Crestline home and shuddered Monday at the memory. "Are we going to have to evacuate?"
Daytime temperatures in the San Bernardino Mountains were expected to be in the mid-70s to high 80s today with sunny skies and light winds. But National Weather Service officials said Wednesday would bring more fire danger, with west winds of 20 to 30 mph and highs in the mid-60s to 80 degrees.
Pleasure Fire
The deadly October blazes were on the minds of firefighters in southern Riverside County on Sunday. More than 750 firefighters - some from as far away as Fresno - battled the Pleasure Fire, which burned five residences and 2,300 acres east of Temecula.
CDF Division Chief Dave Matis, incident commander for the Pleasure Fire, said Monday that fighting such large wildfires requires the coordination of fire departments statewide.
"It's like a big military maneuver," he said.
Along with shifting winds, temperatures in the 90s and low humidity allowed the Pleasure Fire to spread rapidly. And rocky terrain meant little access.
"Even though this is early in the season, we're experiencing late-summer burning conditions," Matis said.
The blaze, which started after a motorhome caught fire, burned five mobile homes, 28 vehicles, four commercial vehicles, four travel trailers and four outbuildings. It was contained at 6 p.m. Monday and is expected to be out tonight.The cost of fighting the fire has totalled $1 million. Evacuations were voluntary.
Who would do it?
In mountain towns like Rimforest and Lake Arrowhead on Monday, residents lucky enough to have emerged unscathed from the October fires said they feared another massive fire might not bypass their picture-postcard towns this time.
And they wondered who would commit such an act as arson.
"I feel sorry for whoever's doing it - it's sad," Theresa Grotewold, 40, said as she joined the lunch crowd at a Rimforest restaurant. "To thrive on this is, is . . . why?"
A few miles down the mountain, at a scenic turnoff along Highway 18, Terry Hibbard thought about what punishment would await anyone convicted of starting the fires.
"I think it should be life without parole, I'll tell you that," said Hibbard, 36, a big man on a gleaming black motorcycle.
Down the mountainside, the valley unfolded like a patchwork quilt, the scene marred only by the charred skeletons of trees downhill that burned last fall.
Hibbard, out for a ride before work, is director of security at Lake Arrowhead Resort. He and two co-workers were among the few to remain during the height of the Old Fire, staying on to serve firefighters.
"It put a lot of people out. A lot of people lost their homes," he said.
"For someone to do it again, they're just a sick individual."
Brierty, the fire marshal, said officials were putting the same energy and resources they turned on the fires into catching whoever set them.
"We're not going to allow this type of behavior," he said. "The consequences are too great."
Staff writers Henri Brickey, Sharon McNary, Ben Goad and Tammy McCoy contributed to this report.
Reach Gregor McGavin at (909) 806-3069 or gmcgavin@pe.com
RESPONSE: Firefighters mount massive assault on flames. "Everybody rolls," an official says.
01:05 AM PDT on Tuesday, April 27, 2004
By GREGOR McGAVIN / The Press-Enterprise
Within minutes - as five arson fires ignited Monday along Highway 189 in Twin Peaks - fire crews from throughout the surrounding mountain towns scrambled to prevent a repeat of the deadly fires that swept through six months ago.
Related
Arsonist targets forest
'Everybody's looking for him right now'
Residents come to rescue at fire
Years of drought have turned the dead and dying trees around Lake Arrowhead into just so much tinder.
"We don't have any room to make a mistake on this," said Peter Brierty, San Bernardino County's fire marshal. "That's why everybody rolls. When the bell goes off, everybody rolls."
Stan Lim / The Press-Enterprise
U.S. Forest Service firefighter David Sween hoses down hot spots at one of the five arson fires set in the San Bernardino National Forest.
The overwhelming response - some 120 firefighters from state, local and federal firefighting agencies throughout the mountain towns - highlights a stepped-up policy that San Bernardino County and national forest fire officials adopted more than a year ago and which they say is more crucial than ever now.
It's a tact that fire officials throughout the Inland area are taking: Throw every available resource at the fires. Put the flames out before they get out of hand.
Five blazes in circle
All five fires - which formed a circle along Highway 189 near Highway 18 - were declared under control by 11:45 a.m. No one was hurt in the fires, the largest of which was about a quarter of an acre, nor were any homes or other structures damaged.
"In terms of acreage it's not that serious, but we're kind of sensitive to these things up here," said John Miller, a spokesman for the U.S. Forest Service. "October just wasn't that far away."
The fires were a chilling reminder for those who live and work in the mountains of the arsonist-set Old Fire that swept through six months ago. The Old Fire charred more than 91,000 acres and destroyed hundreds of homes in the forest. That case remains unsolved.
"Oh no, here we go again," said Cindy Winchell, 41, who watched as the Old Fire crept within a mile of her Crestline home and shuddered Monday at the memory. "Are we going to have to evacuate?"
Daytime temperatures in the San Bernardino Mountains were expected to be in the mid-70s to high 80s today with sunny skies and light winds. But National Weather Service officials said Wednesday would bring more fire danger, with west winds of 20 to 30 mph and highs in the mid-60s to 80 degrees.
Pleasure Fire
The deadly October blazes were on the minds of firefighters in southern Riverside County on Sunday. More than 750 firefighters - some from as far away as Fresno - battled the Pleasure Fire, which burned five residences and 2,300 acres east of Temecula.
CDF Division Chief Dave Matis, incident commander for the Pleasure Fire, said Monday that fighting such large wildfires requires the coordination of fire departments statewide.
"It's like a big military maneuver," he said.
Along with shifting winds, temperatures in the 90s and low humidity allowed the Pleasure Fire to spread rapidly. And rocky terrain meant little access.
"Even though this is early in the season, we're experiencing late-summer burning conditions," Matis said.
The blaze, which started after a motorhome caught fire, burned five mobile homes, 28 vehicles, four commercial vehicles, four travel trailers and four outbuildings. It was contained at 6 p.m. Monday and is expected to be out tonight.The cost of fighting the fire has totalled $1 million. Evacuations were voluntary.
Who would do it?
In mountain towns like Rimforest and Lake Arrowhead on Monday, residents lucky enough to have emerged unscathed from the October fires said they feared another massive fire might not bypass their picture-postcard towns this time.
And they wondered who would commit such an act as arson.
"I feel sorry for whoever's doing it - it's sad," Theresa Grotewold, 40, said as she joined the lunch crowd at a Rimforest restaurant. "To thrive on this is, is . . . why?"
A few miles down the mountain, at a scenic turnoff along Highway 18, Terry Hibbard thought about what punishment would await anyone convicted of starting the fires.
"I think it should be life without parole, I'll tell you that," said Hibbard, 36, a big man on a gleaming black motorcycle.
Down the mountainside, the valley unfolded like a patchwork quilt, the scene marred only by the charred skeletons of trees downhill that burned last fall.
Hibbard, out for a ride before work, is director of security at Lake Arrowhead Resort. He and two co-workers were among the few to remain during the height of the Old Fire, staying on to serve firefighters.
"It put a lot of people out. A lot of people lost their homes," he said.
"For someone to do it again, they're just a sick individual."
Brierty, the fire marshal, said officials were putting the same energy and resources they turned on the fires into catching whoever set them.
"We're not going to allow this type of behavior," he said. "The consequences are too great."
Staff writers Henri Brickey, Sharon McNary, Ben Goad and Tammy McCoy contributed to this report.
Reach Gregor McGavin at (909) 806-3069 or gmcgavin@pe.com
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Pleasure Fire
The deadly October blazes were on the minds of firefighters in southern Riverside County on Sunday. More than 750 firefighters - some from as far away as Fresno - battled the Pleasure Fire, which burned five residences and 2,300 acres east of Temecula.
CDF Division Chief Dave Matis, incident commander for the Pleasure Fire, said Monday that fighting such large wildfires requires the coordination of fire departments statewide.
"It's like a big military maneuver," he said.
Along with shifting winds, temperatures in the 90s and low humidity allowed the Pleasure Fire to spread rapidly. And rocky terrain meant little access.
"Even though this is early in the season, we're experiencing late-summer burning conditions," Matis said.
The blaze, which started after a motorhome caught fire, burned five mobile homes, 28 vehicles, four commercial vehicles, four travel trailers and four outbuildings. It was contained at 6 p.m. Monday and is expected to be out tonight.The cost of fighting the fire has totalled $1 million. Evacuations were voluntary.
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I think this is the last of this story, though today we are going to be pretty windy and they fear of more fires in the region...
Snowman...maybe we should start a fire update thread? So many of us live in areas greatly affected by firest fires...what do you think?
The deadly October blazes were on the minds of firefighters in southern Riverside County on Sunday. More than 750 firefighters - some from as far away as Fresno - battled the Pleasure Fire, which burned five residences and 2,300 acres east of Temecula.
CDF Division Chief Dave Matis, incident commander for the Pleasure Fire, said Monday that fighting such large wildfires requires the coordination of fire departments statewide.
"It's like a big military maneuver," he said.
Along with shifting winds, temperatures in the 90s and low humidity allowed the Pleasure Fire to spread rapidly. And rocky terrain meant little access.
"Even though this is early in the season, we're experiencing late-summer burning conditions," Matis said.
The blaze, which started after a motorhome caught fire, burned five mobile homes, 28 vehicles, four commercial vehicles, four travel trailers and four outbuildings. It was contained at 6 p.m. Monday and is expected to be out tonight.The cost of fighting the fire has totalled $1 million. Evacuations were voluntary.
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I think this is the last of this story, though today we are going to be pretty windy and they fear of more fires in the region...
Snowman...maybe we should start a fire update thread? So many of us live in areas greatly affected by firest fires...what do you think?
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