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Re: Benazir Bhutto 'wounded' in blast

#41 Postby Cryomaniac » Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:58 am

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lurker_from_nc wrote:I don't know about the LTTE, but I wouldn't be surprised if the IRA or the ETA have had training from groups affiliated with Muslim terrorist groups -- their aims and goals are pretty much the same -- cause terror and anarchy. Though, I don't think eco-terrorists have any ties with Muslim groups.


I've read about the IRA, and I don't see any evidence they were trained by such groups, same with Aum Shinrikyo. Not sure about the ETA (which is a Basque independence group in Spain).


The IRA are (were) catholics, so I have doubts they would work with muslims, but I guess it's possible.
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Re: Benazir Bhutto 'wounded' in blast

#42 Postby lurkey » Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:59 am

Cryomaniac wrote:
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lurker_from_nc wrote:I don't know about the LTTE, but I wouldn't be surprised if the IRA or the ETA have had training from groups affiliated with Muslim terrorist groups -- their aims and goals are pretty much the same -- cause terror and anarchy. Though, I don't think eco-terrorists have any ties with Muslim groups.


I've read about the IRA, and I don't see any evidence they were trained by such groups, same with Aum Shinrikyo. Not sure about the ETA (which is a Basque independence group in Spain).


The IRA are (were) catholics, so I have doubts they would work with muslims, but I guess it's possible.


Rank and file are Catholic. But they need arms and training from somewhere. I won't be surprised if IRA, ETA, Aum Shinrikyo and others have tentative ties to each other. The underlying common goal is overthrow the authority in areas they operate.

Besides, I don't hear much about the IRA anymore, mainly b/c the militant part has secede its power the political part.
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#43 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:52 am

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Not all. Every couple of years some nut case will shoot at an abortion clinic worker or try to set off a bomb, and may claim to be Christian, and, what, not even twenty years ago Baruch Goldstein went into a mosque in 'Palestine' and shot several worshippers.

If we don't count what the Muslims are doing to each other in Darfur, Iraq, Pakistan, Algeria, and Afghanistan, and simply limit ourselves to terrorist attacks aimed at non-Muslims, well, Islam only has maybe a 5000 dead body head count lead on the Christians and Jews in the last decade.


I can't think of the last time a Buddhist killed somebody in the name of their religion.


Yessiree, you're eye rolling at this simple bigoted rube is a sure sign of your superior intellect.


To paraphrase it, not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.


Obviously, the Aum Shinrikyo terrorists in Japan aren't Muslims. Aum Shinrikyo is actually a Buddhist-inspired cult.

The IRA, ETA, and the Philippine Communist Party aren't Muslim groups either, but they are also considered terrorists by the U.S. government.



Although the IRA and Basques are mostly Catholic, they are motivated by Marxist and/or nationalist goals, not for the greater glory of the Pope. The IRA has split, with the main group having renounced violence, and a off-shoot splinter that is as much a criminal gang as a 'traditional' terror group.


Kind of proves my point, if one really wracks the brain, one can think of a terror or violence that is religiously motivated that isn't Islamic, but one has to work at it.

A couple of years ago, Hindus in India burned some mosques and attacked some Muslims. It was religiously motivated, sort of. After a Muslim train bombing had killed dozens of Indians, of course.
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#44 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:03 am

The IRA trained with Palestinian terrorists back in the 1970s, and the Japanese Red Army shot up the Tel Aviv airport, killing mostly American (Puerto Rican) religious pilgrims. Back when the KGB and the allied Romanian intelligence coordinated anti-Western terror groups.

Back then, Yasser Arafat and the PLO, and George Habash (born Christian) and his PFLP-GC were nationalist/Marxists, and were strongly supported by the KGB. They weren't really Islamic. The PLO has become the Palestinian Authority, or 'Fatah' (Conquest), and has adopted more strident Islamic ideology, although mainly to keep from losing members to the militant Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Although Hamas is a Sunni group (and started as the Palestinian branch of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood that assasinated Sadat for his peace deal with Israel, and produced the blind sheikh that was the spiritual leader of the cell responsible for the first WTC bombing in 1993, and produced Dr. Zawahiri, number two in al Qaeda, Shia Iran supports Hamas, because their hatred of Israel is stronger than the schism between Shia Islam and Sunni Islam).


Libya also supplied the IRA, but until recently, Muammar Khadaffi has presented himself more as a nationalist/"Third Way" (non-Soviet controlled) Socialist.


Probably 99% of Muslims are not terrorists (although more than 1% in many places support the goals), but when there are a billion Muslims on Earth, even a small percentage that support terrorism is a large number.
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Re: Pakistan ex. PM Benazir Bhutto dead at 54

#45 Postby cycloneye » Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:35 pm

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318993,00.html

This is the first photo that may show the person who assasinated Bhutto.Look at the gun at the upper right part of image.
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#46 Postby HURAKAN » Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:51 pm

:uarrow: If that's the guy, he doesn't look Pakistani or Arabic at all. That's interesting. Looks like a White caucasian.
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#47 Postby lurkey » Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:17 pm

HURAKAN wrote::uarrow: If that's the guy, he doesn't look Pakistani or Arabic at all. That's interesting. Looks like a White caucasian.


Could be Lebanese, Syrian or Jordanian . . .
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#48 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:58 pm

lurker_from_nc wrote:
HURAKAN wrote::uarrow: If that's the guy, he doesn't look Pakistani or Arabic at all. That's interesting. Looks like a White caucasian.


Could be Lebanese, Syrian or Jordanian . . .


Most Indians, Pakistanis and Persians/Iranians are not only Caucasian, but Aryan. Iran changed its name from Persia to Iran because the Shah's father was a supporter of Hitler, and Iran means Aryan in Farsi.



Of course, al Qaeda has European converts, plus Bosnians and Chechens are Caucasian. There are also light haired and blue eyed Kurds.


One of my concerns is that al Qaeda may attempt a terror attack with non-Middle Eastern people, to disguise the fact that they are indeed Muslims. Most people will fight back against a hijacking on a plane if the hijackers are Arab, because they remember 9-11. But would they fight back against hijackers who claim to be Russians, perhaps, and claim to be only wanting to take the plane to Cuba?
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#49 Postby lurkey » Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:15 pm

Ed Mahmoud wrote:
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HURAKAN wrote::uarrow: If that's the guy, he doesn't look Pakistani or Arabic at all. That's interesting. Looks like a White caucasian.


Could be Lebanese, Syrian or Jordanian . . .


Most Indians, Pakistanis and Persians/Iranians are not only Caucasian, but Aryan. Iran changed its name from Persia to Iran because the Shah's father was a supporter of Hitler, and Iran means Aryan in Farsi.



Of course, al Qaeda has European converts, plus Bosnians and Chechens are Caucasian. There are also light haired and blue eyed Kurds.


One of my concerns is that al Qaeda may attempt a terror attack with non-Middle Eastern people, to disguise the fact that they are indeed Muslims. Most people will fight back against a hijacking on a plane if the hijackers are Arab, because they remember 9-11. But would they fight back against hijackers who claim to be Russians, perhaps, and claim to be only wanting to take the plane to Cuba?


And don't forget this famous picture of an Afghani girl from 1985 National Geographic . .. Her eyes are lighter shade of green than mine . .
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Re: Pakistan ex. PM Benazir Bhutto dead=Image of assassin posted

#50 Postby Stephanie » Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:26 pm

This is a sad and tragic situation. She knew the risk she took going back to Pakistan and IMHO, I felt that it was only a matter of time even after the elections.

RIP Benazir Bhutto.
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#51 Postby Ptarmigan » Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:48 pm

Ed Mahmoud wrote:
Most Indians, Pakistanis and Persians/Iranians are not only Caucasian, but Aryan. Iran changed its name from Persia to Iran because the Shah's father was a supporter of Hitler, and Iran means Aryan in Farsi.



Of course, al Qaeda has European converts, plus Bosnians and Chechens are Caucasian. There are also light haired and blue eyed Kurds.


One of my concerns is that al Qaeda may attempt a terror attack with non-Middle Eastern people, to disguise the fact that they are indeed Muslims. Most people will fight back against a hijacking on a plane if the hijackers are Arab, because they remember 9-11. But would they fight back against hijackers who claim to be Russians, perhaps, and claim to be only wanting to take the plane to Cuba?


Been around a lot of Indians, Pakistanis, and Persians. I have many Indian, Pakistani, and Persian friends. So I can attest to that. Indians and Pakistanis talk with the same accent if they are recently came to America. Pakstanis seem to lighter skin. Persians can have darker skin, but they can be faired to extremely pale. Persian last names look similar to Dutch, Armenian, and Italian.

Kurdish people originally spoke a Caucasian language similar to Georgian and Chechen. They adopted the Indo-European language, which is similar to Persian.

Arab is more of a cultural designation. Originally, Arabs were nomads, which includes Bedouin. Many of those who identify themselves as Arabs adopted Arabic last names. Arabs can have dark and pale skin. Some Arabs are redheads and blondes, especially around Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria. Also, you can see light haired Arabs in Iraq, which is from Persian influence, which Iraq was once part of. Once on TV, I saw an Iraqi doctor that looked like the actor Willem Dafoe. :grrr: :ggreen:
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#52 Postby Ptarmigan » Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:52 pm

lurker_from_nc wrote:
And don't forget this famous picture of an Afghani girl from 1985 National Geographic . .. Her eyes are lighter shade of green than mine . .


Here's a photo of different ethnic groups in Afghanistan. They are all females also. 8-) :ggreen: :wink:

http://www.afghanist.de/ethn.htm

Some of them have blonde hair, especially the one from Nuristani province.
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Re: Pakistan ex. PM Benazir Bhutto dead=Image of assassin posted

#53 Postby lurkey » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:36 pm

It is said that Genghis Khan (the leader of the Mongol horde that at one time ruled from the fringes of Eastern Europe through Russia to China) had red hair and green eyes.
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#54 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:38 pm

lurker_from_nc wrote:It is said that Genghis Khan (the leader of the Mongol horde that at one time ruled from the fringes of Eastern Europe through Russia to China) had red hair and green eyes.


better than green hair and red eyes...
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#55 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:17 am

Yup the ancient Persians, and their cousin tribe the Medes, actually had town different terms for Aryans and non-Aryans that they conquered. They gave a higher degree of respect to the latter, as opposed to the former of course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryans

http://books.google.com/books?id=n6u2t7 ... y__wMjz1xc

http://books.google.com/books?id=WnEhUn ... ysPcy29dLI
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#56 Postby Chacor » Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:56 am

Bilawal Bhutto and Asif Ali Zadari, Bhutto's widower, have been named as the new PPP co-chairmen. Bilawal is to complete his studies at Oxford University while his father takes charge.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7164968.stm
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#57 Postby Stephanie » Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:28 am

Interesting facts about the Arabs, Pakistanians, Persians, etc.

I remember that National Geographic picture. Her eyes are mesmerizing and gorgeous.
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#58 Postby cycloneye » Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:10 pm

New Video of Death of Bhutto

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Chilling new Video of the moment Bhutto goes down after the assassin fired three shots and the explosion that follows.
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#59 Postby HURAKAN » Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:18 pm

With all the death threats that she had against her I find it surprising how exposed she was in the car. Moreover, she was above the general people in the crowd, making it very easy to be killed using a gun.
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#60 Postby wyq614 » Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:18 am

贝娜齐尔.布托是值得尊重的政治家。如果比拉瓦尔可以当人民党主席,那么我也可以,因为我也是19岁。呵呵,开个玩笑而已。

Benazir Bhutto is a respectable politician.

ps: If Bilawal can become chairman of the PPP, I can, too! As I'm also nineteen years old!

Well, just joking.
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