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#1301 Postby Stormsfury » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:53 pm

USAwx1 wrote:The GFS therafter is having some problems figuring out how much of an interaction there is between ivan and the trough coming across the county and into the NW atlantic toward the beginning of the week. In other words whether the trough catches Ivan and causes him to re-curve or there is little interaction between the two at all. But overall i dont buy the GFS solutions of the past few runs.

Furthermore, b/c most of the tropical models are run off the GFS initial conditions, we can expect further problems WRT the track which will be compounded by the fact that Ivan remains at a low latitude.


Which is why, I for the life of me cannot figure out why such a sharp turn ... when consistently Ivan has continued SOUTH of the guidance ... even the ECMWF has now depicted an Eastern FL sideswipe and barreling headlong into Lower South Carolina by Day 7 for TWO runs now, but again ... I'm NOT ready to buy into this solution ... TWO more runs from the EC like this will definitely have me reconsidering my stance ...

What's critical is to continue watching short-term trends ... by 8 am tomorrow, the 00z tropical model guidance indicates that Ivan will be at LEAST 14.5ºN OR HIGHER AT 71ºW ... When I believe it will be more in the lines of 14.0ºN at 71ºW ... or an error of 30 statute miles SOUTH of the southernmost guidance plot ... and even more so, a drastically different end result 144 hours away ...

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#1302 Postby LaBreeze » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:53 pm

That's exactly what they were picking up on it seems.
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#1303 Postby Brent » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:54 pm

Actually... all the models I have seen turn Ivan NW here soon. Not one keeps it going west to WNW.
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#1304 Postby LeeJet » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:55 pm

PurdueWx80 wrote:
LeeJet wrote:Sure it can go south of Jamaica...then it can go NNE and still hit SF.


San Francisco?? Sounds like a deleted scene from The Day After Tomorrow.


SF= South Florida
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#1305 Postby MGC » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:56 pm

The pressure here in Gulfport Miss this evening is 1010mb. Lower than anywhere in Florida, same as in Kingston Jamacia.....MGC
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#1306 Postby charleston_hugo_veteran » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:56 pm

WeatherNLU wrote:That high doesn't look like it is weakening much to me.


Local met says the high won't start weakening till sat or sun.....
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#1307 Postby clueless newbie » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:56 pm

canegrl04 wrote:We'll have a better handle on where Ivan is going tomorrow.

Hm. I remember that well with Frances. Sunday and Monday: We will know better on Tuesday/Wednesday. Well, on Wednesday we were as clueless as before. There were models showing recurvature away from Florida as late as Thursday.

Charley was also not that easy to forecast.

The tropics are crazy this year not only in the numbers, but also in unpredictability.
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#1308 Postby HurricaneQueen » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:57 pm

Wow. That looks like the worst case scenario for FL. I certainly hope it doesn't pan out!
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#1309 Postby BReb » Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:59 pm

Yeah, well I recall how there was a nice strong ridge north of Frances near Florida and she STALLED. Now there's a weakening/exiting ridge, and we've got 4 STRAIGHT HOURS of due west movement. It shifted from WNW to due west around the same time this weakening was taking place.

I love seeing nature thumb her nose at our ability to understand her!
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#1310 Postby BReb » Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:01 pm

Just checked the 0015 GMT, and he's still headed due west. That's 4 straight hours of due west- not a wobble.
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#1311 Postby Stormsfury » Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:01 pm

Look at the nature of the ridging in Florida trying to extend WEST towards the ridge out in the Desert SW ...

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#1312 Postby CalmBeforeStorm » Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:02 pm

BReb wrote:Yeah, well I recall how there was a nice strong ridge north of Frances near Florida and she STALLED. Now there's a weakening/exiting ridge, and we've got 4 STRAIGHT HOURS of due west movement. It shifted from WNW to due west around the same time this weakening was taking place.

I love seeing nature thumb her nose at our ability to understand her!


There was a "horsehoe" type ridge to Frances' north which didn't allow it to move north nor west. The GFS picked up on this possibility days in advance.
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#1313 Postby sgastorm » Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:05 pm

The G-IV jet information will be inputed into the models every 12 hours starting with the 00Z runs tonight. That information usually makes a difference, sometimes a very big difference, to the track forecasts of the models.
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#1314 Postby amawea » Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:05 pm

I'm way out here as it is still early but I have believed since yesterday it will hit between Biloxi and Pensacola. A storm of this magnitude have a tendency to create their own atmosphere and you have to watch what is south and west of them as well as to their north and east,
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#1315 Postby recmod » Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:05 pm

Last 3 frames on IR shows the WNW motion has resumed
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#1316 Postby JtSmarts » Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:10 pm

NCWW I just read your forecast verifications and I was very impressed with your error rate compared to the NHC keep up the excellent work!!! :D
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#1317 Postby btsgmdad » Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:15 pm

Great work! Any adjustments in intensity with the recent pressure drops?
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#1318 Postby Stormcenter » Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:15 pm

recmod wrote:Last 3 frames on IR shows the WNW motion has resumed
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I'm sorry but here do you see a wnw on
the last 3 frames?

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT ... -loop.html
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#1319 Postby Stormsfury » Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:17 pm

Anxiously awaiting next RECON fixes ... (which unfortunately won't be out until 2 am most likely ... GRRR!) ... :lol:
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#1320 Postby sgastorm » Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:20 pm

It will be interesting to see what the 6Z recon mission finds. Looking at the 0045Z IR image, I'm betting on a lower pressure and much higher winds. :(
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