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El Nino/La Nina Cycles

#1 Postby Ptarmigan » Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:04 am

Is there any way to find out if the year was either El Nino, La Nina, or Neither going back to before 1950? The El Nino/La Nina data I have seen go back to 1950, not before.
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#2 Postby DrCloud » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:00 pm

There's some information in Figure 3 of this paper.

You've probably seen the NOAA/CDC (or whatever they're called now) time series -- this is the one that starts at 1950. Datasets that extend back farther aren't as solid as what was used in that more recent time series, though, especially if you're looking for quantitative results. HPH
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#3 Postby Ptarmigan » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:15 pm

DrCloud wrote:There's some information in Figure 3 of this paper.

You've probably seen the NOAA/CDC (or whatever they're called now) time series -- this is the one that starts at 1950. Datasets that extend back farther aren't as solid as what was used in that more recent time series, though, especially if you're looking for quantitative results. HPH


Thanks. I am interested in it because of hurricane seasons before 1950. I know there were active ones that time, among them 1933.
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#4 Postby Ptarmigan » Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:32 pm

I found this El Nino data courtesy of Japan Meteorological Agency.
El Nino Data
Read Me For The El Nino Data
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#5 Postby AussieMark » Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:05 pm

some years that were el nino years are:

1902/03
1905/06
1911/12
1913/14
1914/15
1919/20
1925/26
1940/41
1941/42
1946/47
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#6 Postby Aslkahuna » Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:08 pm

CPC has SOI data in tabular form going back to 1882 in their Monitoring and Index section on their site. Just have to know how to dig it out.

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#7 Postby Ptarmigan » Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:46 pm

AussieMark wrote:some years that were el nino years are:

1902/03
1905/06
1911/12
1913/14
1914/15
1919/20
1925/26
1940/41
1941/42
1946/47


Not surprised by 1914. Only one storm was recorded, which I find highly suspect because there were probably a lot more, but they were likely fish and also World War I started. I looked at 1946 through 1947 and it appears to be a La Nina year based on the data. Just curious, how do you determine if there is an El Nino or La Nina year?
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#8 Postby wxmann_91 » Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:57 am

BoM has SOI data going back to 1876. Just found it today.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soihtm1.shtml
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#9 Postby AussieMark » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:58 am

Ptarmigan wrote:
AussieMark wrote:some years that were el nino years are:

1902/03
1905/06
1911/12
1913/14
1914/15
1919/20
1925/26
1940/41
1941/42
1946/47


Not surprised by 1914. Only one storm was recorded, which I find highly suspect because there were probably a lot more, but they were likely fish and also World War I started. I looked at 1946 through 1947 and it appears to be a La Nina year based on the data. Just curious, how do you determine if there is an El Nino or La Nina year?


based on SOI readings

i.e

1946
Mar: -2.0
APr: -9.6
May: -11.4
Jun: -9.6
Jul: -10.2
Aug: -4.4
Sep: -16.0
Oct: -12.3
Nov: -1.4
Dec: -5.5

1947
Jan: -4.9
Feb: -4.1

also during this event Australia had a strong Drought which is consistent with a El Nino event

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