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#61 Postby CajunMama » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:01 pm

Recurve wrote:Here's what I think should have happened on Saturday:

"Hello, mayor. This is FEMA. We realize thousands of residents there don't have the means or transportation or shelter with which to evacuate--and obviously you can't expect the city's school bus drivers to go to work to implement a mass evacuation to unknown desitnations when they're trying to save their own lives and families-- so we're opening shelters in Baton Rouge, Lafayette, Houston, Dallas, and other places. Our first buses will arrive at I-10 and Florida Avenue, the Superdome, St. Bernard Parish and Lakeview at 3 p.m. and we'll continue sending buses and troop transports until 12 hours before the storm arrives. All you have to do is evacuate your staff and vital emergency workers to the command center we are setting up in La Place. We've commandeered a cruise ship and will board tourists and city workers at Riverwalk so no one's left in the French Quarter. Is there anything else we can do? Oh yes, we also anticipate levee breaks, so we're staging barges loaded with sand bags and repair crews in the Mississippi north of Baton Rouge. They'll be able to go downriver in less than 6 hours after the storm. We're also sending several hundred FEMA officials there, they'll be trained to drive buses and other vital vehicles out of the city, we've organized an evacuation plan so the equipment and personnel are sent to the north and west. Gas tanker trucks are being dispatched for refueling upstream of the evacuation. Our courier will be arriving at your office in the next 15 minutes with 3 dozen satellite phones. Give us a call when he gets there. Oh, and we're sending 500 marines who will be self- sufficient and prepared to assist in the evacuation and stay to guard the city immediately following the storm. Is there anything else you can think of? Good luck."



Hindsight is wonderful but if you were under the pressure that officials were...what would you really have done that day??????
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#62 Postby gtalum » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:06 pm

Recurve wrote:Here's what I think should have happened on Saturday:

"Hello, mayor. This is FEMA. We realize thousands of residents there don't have the means or transportation or shelter with which to evacuate--and obviously you can't expect the city's school bus drivers to go to work to implement a mass evacuation to unknown desitnations when they're trying to save their own lives and families-- so we're opening shelters in Baton Rouge, Lafayette, Houston, Dallas, and other places. Our first buses will arrive at I-10 and Florida Avenue, the Superdome, St. Bernard Parish and Lakeview at 3 p.m. and we'll continue sending buses and troop transports until 12 hours before the storm arrives. All you have to do is evacuate your staff and vital emergency workers to the command center we are setting up in La Place. We've commandeered a cruise ship and will board tourists and city workers at Riverwalk so no one's left in the French Quarter. Is there anything else we can do? Oh yes, we also anticipate levee breaks, so we're staging barges loaded with sand bags and repair crews in the Mississippi north of Baton Rouge. They'll be able to go downriver in less than 6 hours after the storm. We're also sending several hundred FEMA officials there, they'll be trained to drive buses and other vital vehicles out of the city, we've organized an evacuation plan so the equipment and personnel are sent to the north and west. Gas tanker trucks are being dispatched for refueling upstream of the evacuation. Our courier will be arriving at your office in the next 15 minutes with 3 dozen satellite phones. Give us a call when he gets there. Oh, and we're sending 500 marines who will be self- sufficient and prepared to assist in the evacuation and stay to guard the city immediately following the storm. Is there anything else you can think of? Good luck."


yes, and all of these magical preparations woul dhave just appeared at teh snap of a finger.

Let's get real. if we were completely prepared all the time for a "doomsday" natural disaster of Katrina proportions, a good chunk of our entire GDP would be drained for nothing the vast majority of the time. It is unrealistic to keep such preparation at the ready 24/7/365.
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#63 Postby Lindaloo » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:32 pm

It may be hindsight but in a way ReCurve has a point. This should have been part of the evacuation plan. The contraflow was for able bodied folks not the people who did not have the means. Sad part is that officials should not have been offguard like they were including this sorry excuse of a Mayor. Proper planning should have been done a long time ago instead of having to TRY to make this type of decision 12 hours before landfall.

Are we all forgetting hurricane planning and preparations to evacuate the city of New Orleans? This was a no brainer.
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#64 Postby vbhoutex » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:06 pm

Some of what recurve suggests makes sense and can be dealt with at not a terrible amount of expense. No, I would not expect everything to be set to go 24/7/365. but some of the set-ups he suggests can be made well in advance and be ready to go within hours. Some good points and some that just can't happen so easily.
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#65 Postby Pearl River » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:36 pm

As far as the evacuation's are concerned, it was up to the State Dept of Transportation to remove the elderly and infirmed. This is according to the State's Evacuation Plan. The biggest problem I see is the many freeloaders who would have taken total advantage of that plan, and those who truely needed to evacuate would still be on the overpasses.
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#66 Postby CajunMama » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:35 pm

I had a Katrina evacuee in my shop around 4 today. She has no sympathy for those who didn't evacuate. Now this is an elderly black woman who got herself out of NO. She doesn't feel sorry for those who stayed. She said there is no reason in this day and age why they wouldn't get out on their own. She even said it wasn't the governments responsiblity. She also been waiting patiently for fema...they had redflagged her account and set it aside doing nothing with it. (Her ss# was in the computer twice, once for her house and once for her mothers house). She has waited patiently all this time. She also told me about some people from NO who had no damage, flood or wind, and are getting all this money from fema. I suggested that she anonymously turn them in and i think she's going to do it. I liked that lady...she impressed me alot.
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#67 Postby Lindaloo » Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:02 pm

Great story. Did she happen to mention how she got herself out?
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#68 Postby Pearl River » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:45 pm

I had a Katrina evacuee in my shop around 4 today. She has no sympathy for those who didn't evacuate. Now this is an elderly black woman who got herself out of NO. She doesn't feel sorry for those who stayed. She said there is no reason in this day and age why they wouldn't get out on their own.


I've said it 100 times in other threads. Many of the people that were at the dome drove themselves there.
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#69 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:52 pm

Exactly... passed countless homes in the ninth with cars and cars and more cars,.. all sitting in their driveways...ruined by floodwaters of folks who thought they could stay. Not saying a lot of folk didn't have the means... b/c they didn't; but a LOT of 'em did... and chose to stay anyway. And no amount of planning, short of forcibly removing them, would have gotten them out of the city.

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#70 Postby ROCK » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:49 pm

maybe they didn't have gas to get out.......just a thought..
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#71 Postby CajunMama » Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:16 am

Lindaloo wrote:Great story. Did she happen to mention how she got herself out?


Linda, she might have told me but i don't remember.
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#72 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:17 am

ROCK wrote:maybe they didn't have gas to get out.......just a thought..


That's a possibility for some, Rock; but I doubt it applied to the majority of them... way too many. And then there were folks like Fats Domino who certainly had more than the wherewithal to get out had he chosen to--he simply didn't, as did a lot of old-timers who just thought they could weather the storm--or had other ideas--who knows?

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#73 Postby sunny » Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:19 am

Everybody thought she would turn. "They always turn" is what I heard time and time and time again. That was one reason a lot of people didn't leave.
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#74 Postby Ixolib » Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:41 am

sunny wrote:Everybody thought she would turn. "They always turn" is what I heard time and time and time again. That was one reason a lot of people didn't leave.


Interesting observation there, Sunny...

For the MS Coast, it was "we didn't get any water in Camille" (that was my own personal favorite excuse)

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For New Orleans, it was "they always turn"

Folks in other areas ought to use these two misnomers as a means of ensuring they don't get caught in the same kind of false sense of security. One region that comes to mind that might easily fit the N.O. sentiment is Tamap/St. Pete. Look how many times "they've" avoided a major hit!!

But when a Katrina- or Camille-type storm finally does (not if) hit there, I believe all other hurricane stories will pale in comparison. :eek:
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#75 Postby sunny » Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:45 am

ixolib, my sisters were two that were saying "she will turn". The Ivan evacuation was still in their minds - they felt we evacuated for nothing. I stood here in my living room literally SCREAMING at them. We couldn't find hotel rooms - well, fine then, I'll sleep in my car in a rest area but no way in HELL was I staying here with a major cane bearing down on us. They asked me, what are you going to do, just get in your car and drive? You can't do that! I told them to "watch me". When they realized I was serious, they were right behind me. We ended up in Atlanta at my niece's house.
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#76 Postby Lindaloo » Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:09 am

ROCK wrote:maybe they didn't have gas to get out.......just a thought..


Yeah and it is possible most of them did not have cars. And the people with cars would probably not have made it a few blocks. It is sad at the way some people have to live.
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#77 Postby ROCK » Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:24 am

Lindaloo wrote:
ROCK wrote:maybe they didn't have gas to get out.......just a thought..


Yeah and it is possible most of them did not have cars. And the people with cars would probably not have made it a few blocks. It is sad at the way some people have to live.


If the evac was anything like Rita, there wasn't any gas to find. Those who did find it got really lucky. I wouldnt ride out a storm in my car....
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#78 Postby Ixolib » Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:05 pm

sunny wrote:ixolib, my sisters were two that were saying "she will turn". The Ivan evacuation was still in their minds - they felt we evacuated for nothing. I stood here in my living room literally SCREAMING at them. We couldn't find hotel rooms - well, fine then, I'll sleep in my car in a rest area but no way in HELL was I staying here with a major cane bearing down on us. They asked me, what are you going to do, just get in your car and drive? You can't do that! I told them to "watch me". When they realized I was serious, they were right behind me. We ended up in Atlanta at my niece's house.


I think because of your experience with S2K, and the amazing insight one can gain here, you might just have saved two lives - at the very least, saved them from extreme turmoil in those hours following landfall.

Yet another good reason for S2K - it saves lives!!
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#79 Postby Lindaloo » Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:17 pm

ROCK wrote:
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ROCK wrote:maybe they didn't have gas to get out.......just a thought..


Yeah and it is possible most of them did not have cars. And the people with cars would probably not have made it a few blocks. It is sad at the way some people have to live.


If the evac was anything like Rita, there wasn't any gas to find. Those who did find it got really lucky. I wouldnt ride out a storm in my car....


Oh I see what you meant now.
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#80 Postby Lindaloo » Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:19 pm

sunny wrote:ixolib, my sisters were two that were saying "she will turn". The Ivan evacuation was still in their minds - they felt we evacuated for nothing. I stood here in my living room literally SCREAMING at them. We couldn't find hotel rooms - well, fine then, I'll sleep in my car in a rest area but no way in HELL was I staying here with a major cane bearing down on us. They asked me, what are you going to do, just get in your car and drive? You can't do that! I told them to "watch me". When they realized I was serious, they were right behind me. We ended up in Atlanta at my niece's house.


Actually most of them do turn northeast when they approach the coast. At least that is what I have noticed anyway. My Dad told my Mother and nephews to "stop panicking" when "it turns" the water will go back out. Well, she turned and the water receded as quickly as it came in.


BUT... if you are on the eastern side of landfall when it does turn, you better expect to get hammered.
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