My thoughts on Ernesto - Three Options

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My thoughts on Ernesto - Three Options

#1 Postby wxmann_91 » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:52 pm

The following post is NOT an official forecast and should not be used as such. It is just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. It is NOT endorsed by any professional institution including storm2k.org For Official Information please refer to the NHC and NWS products.





Now, you may think this was memorized and then respat out from another post at another bb, that's not true. I'm posting this in my own words.

First, let's take a look at the models.

12Z GFS shows a little postive tilt trough which would induce a weakness and bring Ernesto into the FL Panhandle and into the Southeast. 12Z Euro agrees.

This is the first scenario. This scenario branches into another two options. The 12Z Euro stalls Ernesto out and brings it back into the GOM (this part I got from the other bb). 12Z GFS sweeps it along and Ernesto says goodbye.

Graphic of the first two scenarios:

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The other scenario would happen if:
a) Ernesto remains weak and shallow
b) Ernesto intensifies rapidly into a Major... and thus would be more resistant to the shortwave trough
c) Ernesto does not gain enough latitude
d) The shortwave (b/c its so progressive) does not have time to recurve Ernie or it completely misses it
e) The shortwave weakens enough to have a negligible effect

Notice the pattern is very progressive - big differences in both timing and strength of shortwave in 120 hr in the GFS Ensembles:

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Also notice how 850mb wind vectors remain unscathed by the shortwave:

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If this happens... TX/LA, maybe even Mexico if the ridge builds in stronger than expected.

So... in conclusion... don't rule out anything yet. Both TX and FL is possible. Significant wobbles and relocations are VERY critical especially about 24-48 hr down the road.

I'll post some more maps later. Let's see how the 0Z run does.



*edited by Lindaloo to add disclaimer to top of forecast.
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#2 Postby ROCK » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:57 pm

good post...Wx...thanks for the time and effort.....
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#3 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:58 pm

I added the disclaimer to your post wxmann 91.
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#4 Postby wxmann_91 » Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:02 pm

You're welcome Rock.

Thanks Luis.
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#5 Postby O Town » Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:03 pm

Thanks for taking the time to show us how the different scenerios could play out. Great post. I think people need to relize things can change so quickly and could cause big changes in the storm path ecspecially this far out.
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#6 Postby SouthFloridawx » Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:11 pm

This is a good analysis, good scenario's and also well thought out forecast process. You've also made it easy to understand.

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#7 Postby wxmann_91 » Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:33 pm

Thanks everybody for the compliments.

To further illustrate my point... I'll use the synoptic setups for Elena and Gilbert.

(Not saying this won't recurve, but just illustrating my we can't be 100% sure just yet, and why the WRF may not be discarded just yet.)

Elena was a forecasting NIGHTMARE as we all should know. Here's a loop of the 500mb pattern for it... notice that setup is eerily similar to the one advertised by the 12Z GFS. The positive-tilt shortwave simply moves too quickly... leaving Elena behind.

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Gilbert was forecasted to hit Texas. The shortwave was stronger and more amplified, but the ridge to the east suddenly strengthens, sending the shortwave into Canada. Also, Gilbert being so powerful and large, it resisted the shortwave fairly well.

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