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#1 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Wed May 24, 2006 12:20 am

I've just finished creating the tracks of storms that have effected New England prior to 1851. These are not official, and most of the data is taken from the Harvard Forestry Hurricane Data base. With that noted enjoy:

http://hurricanehistoryolderhurricanes.blogspot.com/


Color key:

Purple = cat 3

Orange = cat 2

Red = cat 1

Yellow = TS

Green = TD


* The above is for entertainment use only. DO NOT USE FOR EMERGANCY PLANING PURPOSES.
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Historic Info on Mid-Atlantic (VA along Chesapeake)

#2 Postby itglobalsecure » Wed May 24, 2006 1:08 am

Thanks for the great link.
Looking up more information on the 1788 hurricane, led me to this great resource. It is big, and you need to scroll to the hurricane section, but it has a great section on historic hurricanes affecting VA and the Delmarva peninsula.

http://www.mppdc.com/ahmp/FInal_compressedfilesize.pdf
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#3 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Wed May 24, 2006 1:27 am

The 1788 would be really bad for NYC if it hit today; putting the city on the right side of the storm
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#4 Postby terstorm1012 » Wed May 24, 2006 7:40 am

I LOVE history :)

and I love weather.

And I love it when we get to combine them. you've just made my Wednesday Hybridstorm! :lol: :cheesy:

PS there's an 1804 storm that's been forgotten...the 1804 Snow Hurricane, may have been a 3 when it hit New Jersey.
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#5 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Wed May 24, 2006 10:23 am

I didn't included that particular storm because it was very hard to get a more complete track, also there is some debate over if it was a hurricane (at least at that point) rather than a composite hybrid (which would be a white/gray line). Not every early historic storm is included in my tracks, and if not, it is because I could not get enough data for either track and/or strength/classification estimates. I could include them, but I prefer to be conservative in this regard :wink:
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#6 Postby Stephanie » Wed May 24, 2006 11:41 am

I'd be screwed with some of those 1700's storms!!! :eek:
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#7 Postby terstorm1012 » Wed May 24, 2006 12:35 pm

Hybridstorm_November2001 wrote:I didn't included that particular storm because it was very hard to get a more complete track, also there is some debate over if it was a hurricane (at least at that point) rather than a composite hybrid (which would be a white/gray line). Not every early historic storm is included in my tracks, and if not, it is because I could not get enough data for either track and/or strength/classification estimates. I could include them, but I prefer to be conservative in this regard :wink:


AHhh ok...it makes sense then :) cheers!
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#8 Postby Jim Cantore » Wed May 24, 2006 6:33 pm

the 1804 Snow Hurricane, may have been a 3 when it hit New Jersey


same with the 1821 Hurricane but I dont buy that was a 3
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#9 Postby terstorm1012 » Wed May 24, 2006 6:52 pm

Hurricane Floyd wrote:
the 1804 Snow Hurricane, may have been a 3 when it hit New Jersey


same with the 1821 Hurricane but I dont buy that was a 3


It probably was, there's some evidence for it.......BUT it was probably undergoing extratropical transition as it passed New Jersey...and there's evidence for that in the record too.
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#10 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Wed May 24, 2006 6:53 pm

A repeat of 1788 today would be a national catastrophe...economic AND otherwise.

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#11 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Wed May 24, 2006 9:03 pm

As I stated before; very true. Of all the storms listed it is by far one of the worse, both track and intensity wise. Let us all hope that nothing like it happens again for a VERY LONG TIME. :bday:
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#12 Postby tk » Wed May 24, 2006 9:40 pm

whats the deal with the 1846 hurricane? forms over roanoke, va as a CAT2 and maintains CAT2 strength to vermont? :eek:
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#13 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Wed May 24, 2006 9:44 pm

whats the deal with the 1846 hurricane? forms over roanoke, va as a CAT2 and maintains CAT2 strength to vermont?


LOL... I was wondering about that one myself. Perhaps a Hatteras type storm with only records along that track... or possibly not even a "tropical" event so much as a severe weather front...I dunno... but that track is an enigma!

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#14 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Thu May 25, 2006 10:12 am

"Perhaps a Hatteras type storm with only records along that track."

Exactly.
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#15 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Thu May 25, 2006 10:19 am

Seem it may have hit Cape Hatteras on September 7th, 1846. There wasn't any earlier data points to go by in the Harvard Forestry reconstructed track database, that I used as one of my main sources:

http://www.nc-climate.ncsu.edu/climate/hurricanes.html
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#16 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Thu May 25, 2006 10:23 am

Another interesting link about the 1846 storm:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/weathe ... 1594.story
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#17 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Thu May 25, 2006 10:50 am

I revised and updated the 1846 storm track. Evidence points to the storm being at least a cat 3 at landfall, thus I showed it as such. Check it out:

http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/198/71 ... cane.0.jpg
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#18 Postby terstorm1012 » Thu May 25, 2006 10:53 am

w00t thanks!
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#19 Postby terstorm1012 » Thu May 25, 2006 10:56 am

Hybridstorm_November2001 wrote:Seem it may have hit Cape Hatteras on September 7th, 1846. There wasn't any earlier data points to go by in the Harvard Forestry reconstructed track database, that I used as one of my main sources:

http://www.nc-climate.ncsu.edu/climate/hurricanes.html


Interesting table on that site...especially the two category 4s to strike NC both hit the same general area (Hazel, and an 1800s storm)

vedy vedy intezisting.
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#20 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Thu May 25, 2006 12:45 pm

terstorm1012 wrote:w00t thanks!


You are most welcome. I'm just happy that people seem to like my little project :D
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