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Talking about condition in 1969

#1 Postby beachbum_al » Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:07 pm

I found this while trying to search for data on the water temps since both of my parents can't remember a thing. :lol:

Hurricane Camille
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Hurricane Camille was a (Click link for more info and facts about Category 5) Category 5 (A severe tropical cyclone usually with heavy rains and winds moving a 73-136 knots (12 on the Beaufort scale)) hurricane that struck the (A state in the Deep South on the gulf of Mexico; one of the Confederate States during the American Civil War) Mississippi (A coast of the Gulf of Mexico) Gulf Coast region on the 17th and 18th of August 1969. (see track of Camille's eye at landfall).

Camille is considered the first-or second-worst storm ever to hit the mainland (North American republic containing 50 states - 48 conterminous states in North America plus Alaska in northwest North America and the Hawaiian Islands in the Pacific Ocean; achieved independence in 1776) United States. Camille had winds in excess of 210 (The ratio of the distance traveled (in miles) to the time spent traveling (in hours)) mph (340 (A metric unit of length equal to 1000 meters (or 0.621371 miles)) km/h) and a (Click link for more info and facts about storm surge) storm surge of over 24 (Click link for more info and facts about feet) feet (6 ((prosody) the accent in a metrical foot of verse) metres) (see storm surge profile).

Camille killed 143 people along (A state in the southeastern United States on the Gulf of Mexico; one of the Confederate states during the American Civil War) Alabama, (A state in the Deep South on the gulf of Mexico; one of the Confederate States during the American Civil War) Mississippi, and (A state in southern United States on the Gulf of Mexico; one of the Confederate states during the American Civil War) Louisiana. The storm moved inland and turned eastward. As it reached southern (A state in the eastern United States; one of the original 13 colonies; one of the Confederate States in the American Civil War) Virginia it unleashed torrential rains of up to 31 (A unit of length equal to one twelfth of a foot) inches (790 (A metric unit of length equal to one thousandth of a meter) mm) in some areas which killed 113 additional persons due to (A sudden local flood of great volume and short duration) flash floods and (A slide of a large mass of dirt and rock down a mountain or cliff) landslides. 8,931 people were injured, 5,662 homes were destroyed, 13,915 homes experienced major damage. The area of total destruction in (Click link for more info and facts about Harrison County, Mississippi) Harrison County, Mississippi alone was 68 square (A unit of length equal to 1760 yards) miles (176 km²). Total estimated cost of damage was (Click link for more info and facts about US$) US$1.42 billion.

Part of the death toll from Camille was due to the refusal of people along the coast to evacuate.

In 1969 the naming conventions for hurricanes were not strictly controlled as they are today. (Click link for more info and facts about John Hope) John Hope, a (A specialist who studies processes in the earth's atmosphere that cause weather conditions) meteorologist at the (Click link for more info and facts about National Hurricane Center) National Hurricane Center named the hurricane in honor of his daughter Camille who had just graduated from high school.


This part really stood out...John Hope named the storm Camille after his daughter who had just graduated from high school.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/h/hu/hurricane_camille.htm
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#2 Postby Guest » Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:14 pm

John Hope, God bless his soul was a true weatherman. If we could have all been more like him. He was assimilated several years back by the TWC. Darn those cyborg weather things.
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#3 Postby beachbum_al » Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:19 pm

I remember listen to him when Andrew came through with my roommate in Auburn. She was from Homestead and was very worried about her family down there. Even she said that John Hope gave her a calming effect. The same here. Whenever I would listen to him he always explained it in terms that were easy for the young person to understand.

I just never knew the history behind Camille.
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#4 Postby WeatherEmperor » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:24 pm

John Hope was the true Chosen One for hurricane meteorology. I dont wanna offend anybody but he was a god amongst insects.

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#5 Postby Cookiely » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:37 pm

WeatherEmperor wrote:John Hope was the true Chosen One for hurricane meteorology. I dont wanna offend anybody but he was a god amongst insects.

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I would get so furious at the way some of them treated John Hope. If my vibrations could have gone into the TV waves, they would have been very sorry. I called the station one time I was so angry.
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#6 Postby Ivanhater » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:39 pm

Cookiely wrote:
WeatherEmperor wrote:John Hope was the true Chosen One for hurricane meteorology. I dont wanna offend anybody but he was a god amongst insects.

<RICKY>

I would get so furious at the way some of them treated John Hope. If my vibrations could have gone into the TV waves, they would have been very sorry. I called the station one time I was so angry.



who treated john bad, and what did they do????
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#7 Postby Jim Cantore » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:48 pm

This part really stood out...John Hope named the storm Camille after his daughter who had just graduated from high school.


Picked quite the storm didn't he?
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#8 Postby WeatherEmperor » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:51 pm

Hurricane Floyd wrote:
This part really stood out...John Hope named the storm Camille after his daughter who had just graduated from high school.


Picked quite the storm didn't he?


oh he sure did. i really miss his expertise. We could all use his guidance right about now to help us explain this crazy 2005 season.

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#9 Postby mtm4319 » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:59 pm

It's really interesting to go back and read the old advisories on Camille. Imagine living in Gulfport, the TV and power out, and all you have is a battery-powered radio, and at 9pm this advisory comes out:

Advisory

...CAMILLE...EXTREMELY DANGEROUS...CENTER HAS PASSED MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER...CONTINUES TOWARD THE MISSISSIPPI ALABAMA COAST...

HURRICANE WARNINGS ARE IN EFFECT FROM NEW ORLEANS AND GRAND ISLE LOUISIANA EASTWARD ACROSS THE MISSISSIPPI...ALABAMA...AND NORTHWEST FLORIDA COAST TO APALACHICOLA. GALE WARNINGS ARE IN EEFECT FROM MORGAN CITY TO GRAND ISLE. CONTINUE ALL PRECAUTIONS.

WINDS ARE INCREASING AND TIDES ARE RISING ALONG THE NORTHERN GULF COAST FROM GRAND ISLE EASTWARD. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ARE NOW OCCURRING OVER EXTREME SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA AND WILL BE SPREADING OVER MOST OF THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT FEW HOURS.

THE FOLLOWING TIDES ARE EXPECTED TONIGHT AS CAMILLE MOVES INLAND...MISSISSIPPI COAST GULFPORT TO PASCAGOULA 15 TO 20 FEET...PASCAGOULA TO MOBILE 10 TO 15 FEET...EAST OF MOBILE TO PENSACOLA 6 TO 10 FEET. ELSEWHERE IN THE AREA OF HURRICANE WARNING EAST OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER 5 TO 8 FEET. IMMEDIATE EVACUATION OF AREAS THAT WILL BE AFFECTED BY THESE HIGH TIDES IS URGENTLY ADVISED.

THE CENTER OF CAMILLE IS EXPECTED TO MOVE INLAND ON THE MISSISSIPPI COAST NEAR GULFPORT BEFORE MIDNIGHT.

SEVERAL TORNADOES ARE LIKELY TONIGHT WITHIN 100 MILES OF THE COAST FROM EXTREME SOUTHEASTERN LOUISIANA TO FORT WALTON BEACH FLORIDA.

HEAVY RAINS WITH LOCAL AMOUNTS 8 TO 10 INCHES WILL BE SPREAD INTO SOUTHEAST MISSISSIPPI...SOUTHWEST ALABAMA...AND THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE TONIGHT. ANY FLOOD STATEMENTS NEEDED WILL BE ISSUED BY THE LOCAL WEATHER BUREAU OFFICES.

AT 9 PM CDT...THE ENTER OF HURRICANE CAMILLE WAS LOCATED BY NEW ORLEANS AND OTHER LAND BASED RADARS NEAR LATITUDE 29.9 NORTH...LONGITUDE 89.1 WEST...OR ABOUT 35 MILES SOUTH OF GULFPORT MISSISSIPPI AND 60 MILES EAST OF NEW ORLEANS. CAMILLE WILL CONTINUE NORTHWARD ABOUT 15 MPH.

HIGHEST WINDS ARE ESTIMATED 190 MPH NEAR THE CENTER. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD 60 MILES AND GALES EXTEND OUTWARD 180 MILES FROM THE CENTER. THE AIR FORCE RECON FLIGHT INTO CAMILLE THIS AFTERNOON REPORTED A CENTRAL PRESSURE OF 26.61 INCHES.

THOSE IN THE PATH OF THE EYE ARE REMINDED THAT THE WINDS WILL DIE DOWN SUDDENLY IF THE EYE PASSES OVER YOUR AREA BUT THE WINDS WILL INCREASE AGAIN RAPIDLY AND FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION AS THE EYE MOVES AWAY. THE LULL WITH CAMILLE WILL PROBABLY LAST FROM A FEW MINUTES TO ONE HALF HOUR AND PERSONS SHOULD NOT VENTURE FROM SAFE SHELTER.

WINDS GUSTED TO SLIGHTLY OVER 100 MPH AT BOOTHVILLE LOUISIANA ABOUT 7 PM. NEW ORLEANS WEATHER BUREAU OFFICE WAS REPORTING WINDS 45 TO 50 MPH WITH GUSTS TO NEAR 70 MPH AT 8 PM.

REPEATING THE 9 PM POSITION...29.9 NORTH...89.1 WEST.

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NEW ORLEANS WEATHER BUREAU AT 11 PM AND BULLETIN AT 1 AND 3 AM CDT.

SLOAN


It's also worth noting that the NHC was still advising the evacuation of coastal areas within 3 hours of landfall.

And 20 hours before landfall, there wasn't even a hurricane watch for the western coast of Mississippi, where Camille actually hit:

ftp://ftp.nhc.noaa.gov/pub/storm_archiv ... elim17.gif
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#11 Postby deltadog03 » Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:31 pm

holy smokes 26.61???? WOW!!!! I didn't relize how low that is...thats like 900mb...man...
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#12 Postby TSmith274 » Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:56 pm

Does anyone else find it strange that they point out that the states affected were once confederate states? What's up with that?
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#13 Postby Astro_man92 » Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:00 pm

TSmith274 wrote:Does anyone else find it strange that they point out that the states affected were once confederate states? What's up with that?


I think you are to observant.
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#14 Postby WeatherEmperor » Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:01 pm

TSmith274 wrote:Does anyone else find it strange that they point out that the states affected were once confederate states? What's up with that?


think nothing of it.

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#15 Postby senorpepr » Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:03 pm

deltadog03 wrote:holy smokes 26.61???? WOW!!!! I didn't relize how low that is...thats like 900mb...man...


Yup... 901mb
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#16 Postby Frank P » Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:23 pm

THE FOLLOWING TIDES ARE EXPECTED TONIGHT AS CAMILLE MOVES INLAND...MISSISSIPPI COAST GULFPORT TO PASCAGOULA 15 TO 20 FEET...

Yeah but they missed slightly on the expected height of the surge as it was at least 25 feet at Pass Christian... it was 22 feet at my house on the beach in Biloxi and 22 feet at the house I was living at on the east end of town... and that was ~25 miles from where the center went inland near Bay St. Louis/Waveland/Pass Christian area....
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#17 Postby Ixolib » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:09 pm

Frank P wrote:THE FOLLOWING TIDES ARE EXPECTED TONIGHT AS CAMILLE MOVES INLAND...MISSISSIPPI COAST GULFPORT TO PASCAGOULA 15 TO 20 FEET...

Yeah but they missed slightly on the expected height of the surge as it was at least 25 feet at Pass Christian... it was 22 feet at my house on the beach in Biloxi and 22 feet at the house I was living at on the east end of town... and that was ~25 miles from where the center went inland near Bay St. Louis/Waveland/Pass Christian area....


Reading this thread really brings back memories. I lived then, and still live now (in the same house) on the south shore of the Biloxi Bay. We stayed for Camille and I can even remember the exact time that all %&$# seriously broke loose - 8:30pm on Sunday evening, August 17, 1969. That was, without a doubt, the most intense night of my entire life and virtually every moment is as easy to recall as what I had for dinner tonight. Thankfully, we're at 30 feet above MSL, so surge did not present a problem for us. I suppose if it would have, I may not be here tonight spending time on S2K. For so many unfortunate, uninformed, and unprepared people - may they rest in peace - that evening was their last on earth.... For those of us who survived here on the MS coast - our lives were forever changed and our respect and interest in the tropics was forever entrenched in our souls. Thank goodness that 30 years later, the fine folks at S2K put this board together - it has really helped in more ways than many will ever know or even understand...
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#18 Postby Frank P » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:59 pm

Same here but I do understand, very well and I know right where you are coming from... I just wish I knew 10% back then what I know about hurricanes now... I was in a house on Oak Street on Point Cadet... heck we were only a couple of blocks north of Howard Ave... sometime last that evening I can't recall the time... I watched the gulf come in our house at an unbelievable rate... we had 5 feet of water...

I was only 17 at the time... I can remember my mother, grandmother and aunt all on top our our kitchen table, sitting on chairs, saying the rosary, they were almost hysterical from fear... but the amazing thing for me was that I never really got scared, and even more amazing, right at the height of the storm, about 11:30 pm... when the water was at its highest.. I heard some guy screaming outside our door and I figured he was dying or something... as he was walking on the street/sidewalk the water was up to his neck and he was carrying a flashlight above his head... when I opened the door he asked me if we need any help... he was up to his neck in raging water and debris and he ask me if WE needed any help... I never knew who this guy was but he had more guts than any person I have ever met... after that I figured we'd be OK... .. I guess I was just to dumb to realize what was happening...

now that I think about it I was better off being dumb... because if it were to happen again today I'd probably die of a heart attack..
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#19 Postby baygirl_1 » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:14 pm

mtm4319 wrote:And 20 hours before landfall, there wasn't even a hurricane watch for the western coast of Mississippi, where Camille actually hit:
ftp://ftp.nhc.noaa.gov/pub/storm_archiv ... elim17.gif


Yeah. According to the family stories, when we went to 7AM Mass that morning, the priest announced to the congregation that the news was reporting Camille would be hitting Mobile and that we were all welcome to ride it out at the church. Early morning on Sunday, they thought she'd hit Alabama not Mississippi. The folks in Mississippi only had about 12 hours (or less) to prepare. Thank God technology and science have advanced so much!
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#20 Postby timNms » Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:10 pm

Sunday, August 17, 1969....I remember it well. My mom and I were going to drive down highway 49 to Hattiesburg to do some shopping. I was enjoying the last few days of summer break from school. We drove down our road to Highway 590 into Seminary and headed west for a mile to the junction of 49. We couldn't get across the highway because the traffic was bumper to bumper with vehicles headed north. I can still see those old 1960's cars and trucks!

I remember Camille well, although I was only 7 years old. We're well inland...almost 100 miles, but winds here were awful. My mom says that winds here were at least 100mph with higher gusts. Our house, a 3 room shack at the time, creaked and popped, lost part of it's roof, but somehow managed to withstand the fury that Camille unleased upon it. Our kitchen was flooded because of the partial roof removal lol. Mom still lives in that house. A couple of years after Camille, my dad added 2 bedrooms and an indoor toilet to the house LOL.

My mom had a big black trashcan outside of the house. To this day, we've not found it! Numerous trees in the woods behind our house were either uprooted or broken. The timber industry in our area suffered greatly. The weirdest thing I remember was on the day after Camille, seeing seagulls in the pond across the road from our house. A mile away, at my grandmother's house, a HUGE pecan tree was split down the middle. To this day, half of the tree still stands as a reminder of Camille's destruction.

901 MB....WOW. I firmly believe that Camille did NOT weaken a bit before crashing ashore at Pass Christian, MS. If anything, she may have been strengthening. I have no scientific proof of this, just a theory of my own. I base this on the information taken from the bulletins. I don't recall one of them in which Camille weakened. What's scary is that map in this thread: http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic ... edd96a1f5a that shows water temps in the northern gulf being warm enough to support a cane that is just as strong (or worse) than Camille!
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