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Put up or shut up?

#1 Postby tropical » Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:25 am

UM professors want you to put your money on next hurricane

Bet on landfall - and cash in

MIAMI -- Storm watchers, listen up. If you think you have the weather knowledge and financial fortitude, you'll soon have the chance to bet for -- or against -- the coastline nearest you.

Three professors at the University of Miami are launching an electronic futures market to forecast where a hurricane will make landfall in the United States.

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http://alfrankensense.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=664

This should weed out the people I disagree with, eh? :lol:
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#2 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:28 am

have known about this for a long time and actually gave some imput on where the atlantic and caribbean zones would be defined
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Re: Put up or shut up?

#3 Postby jlauderdal » Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:33 am

tropical wrote:
UM professors want you to put your money on next hurricane

Bet on landfall - and cash in

MIAMI -- Storm watchers, listen up. If you think you have the weather knowledge and financial fortitude, you'll soon have the chance to bet for -- or against -- the coastline nearest you.

Three professors at the University of Miami are launching an electronic futures market to forecast where a hurricane will make landfall in the United States.

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http://alfrankensense.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=664

This should weed out the people I disagree with, eh? :lol:


max mayfield's wife will be the first person in for 5 bills, considering she has the inside scoop where these things are going she will be getting rich real quick
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#4 Postby Hurricaneman » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:08 am

Like one of those get rich quick schemes
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#5 Postby Windy » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:13 am

Not really. This is actually an interesting mathematical exercise -- futures markets are uncanny predictors.
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#6 Postby Innotech » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:25 am

pity that link is on such a crappy site I wont click on it but it sounds like a cool idea.
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Re: Put up or shut up?

#7 Postby Derecho » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:30 am

tropical wrote:

This should weed out the people I disagree with, eh? :lol:


I hope it doesn't weed them out TOO quickly; I need to take their money :-)
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#8 Postby CA _Tracker » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:50 am

What's the margin of error?

I called for a hurricane to hit Brownsville TX back on June 19th...
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#9 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:53 am

oh no

there is ZERO margin for error in this, If you pick the wrong zone, you lose. And its only where the center of the eye crosses
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#10 Postby pcolaguy » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:55 am

Good easy money just what I like. My question however is what decides who starts out with what zones? It's gonna suck if I get New Orleans or something, hurricanes never hit there.
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#11 Postby DoctorHurricane2003 » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:59 am

okay what if in a rare instance the eye crosses the border of two zones?
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#12 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:02 am

it goes by the precise coordinate given by NHC. will ask about what happens on a dead border strike (chances are slim and none)
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#13 Postby Big-Iguana » Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:08 am

The Miami Hurricane Event Market (MAHEM) allows meteorologists, students, and the general public to invest real money ($5.00 - $500.00) in securities whose payoff depend on where a given hurricane makes its first landfall. The prices of these securities will then be used to forecast where a given hurricane will land.

http://mahem.miami.edu/about.shtml
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#14 Postby Derecho » Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:20 am

pcolaguy wrote:Good easy money just what I like. My question however is what decides who starts out with what zones? It's gonna suck if I get New Orleans or something, hurricanes never hit there.



That's not how it works. They don't just assign zones to people. It's not a lottery.

It's like a stock market, except instead of IBM and Coca-Cola Corp. it will be sections of the coast. A place that a lot of people think will get hit will have a high price. A place that people don't think will get hit will have a low price. The prices will go up and down based on what people are buying and selling.
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#15 Postby mike18xx » Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:47 am

I think I'll stick to safe bets, like stocks, or Texas Hold 'Em.
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#16 Postby Ziplock » Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:42 am

I think it is hysterical that the acronym is M.A.H.E.M. for Miami Hurricane Event Market.

Now that is clever!

If it isn't too much of a pain, I'll play, for sure.
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#17 Postby wx247 » Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:08 am

So if I am following this right... it is possible to make a profit off of a hurricane landing in your "zone"?
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Hurricane Futuress..Enron had something similar years ago...

#18 Postby StormCircus » Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:23 am

Interesting that those professors in Miami are putting that type of futures market together. Some people are willing to bet on anything. Enron had a sort of futures market for hurricanes many years ago as part of their "weather derivatives" department. This is how it worked: You basically would choose a path made up of several circles or bands of a potential track of a developing TS or hurricane. To place your bet, you would literally draw some circles on a map starting as far out as the Atlantic basin through landfall in the US or elsewhere. You'd also pay a fee to place your bet. If your hurricane track made it into your 1st circle, you'd almost break even. Into you're 2nd circle, you'd break even plus make a little money, and if it made landfall into your 3rd circle (landfall circle), you'd make a nice chunk of change. I don't know if it should really be called a "futures market" per say, because I've never thought of a hurricane as a commodity. It sounds more like parimutuel betting on weather to me. I'm curious if this is how the professors from Miami are going to set up this sort of trading platform.
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#19 Postby mike18xx » Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:29 am

AFAIK, you can already bet on virtually anything in Vegas -- there's always someone there who'll make book.
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#20 Postby FritzPaul » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:07 am

IF Emily hits S. Texas, I know what to do with pcola's $500. :wink:
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