When will Bret get here?!?!?!?

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When will Bret get here?!?!?!?

#1 Postby senorpepr » Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:57 am

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For those who are panicking over when Bret will form, here’s some climatology!

(Of course, this is based off of the past fifty years and includes storms that weren’t named, but would be named under today’s naming convention, to include subtropical systems)

Well, over the past fifty years, how many “B” named storms formed in June or earlier?
:rarrow: In 2003, Bill form in June. However, that was after Ana formed way in April.
:rarrow: In 1997, although “Bill” formed in July, an unnamed subtropical storm formed in May. Therefore, under proper naming, that storm would have been Ana, and the late-June storm would have technically been Bill.
:rarrow: In 1986, Bonnie formed during the last week of June.
:rarrow: In 1982, an unnamed subtropical storm formed in mid-June. If named today, that would have been Beryl.
:rarrow: In 1981, Bret formed in late-June.
:rarrow: In 1972, Agnes formed in mid-June. However, an unnamed subtropical storm in late May, if named today, would have made Agnes’s name “Betty.”
:rarrow: In 1968, Brenda formed in mid-June.
:rarrow: In 1959, Beulah formed in mid-June.
:rarrow: In 1957, Audrey formed in late-June. However, an unnamed tropical storm in early June, if named today, would have made Audrey’s name “Bertha.”

In any event, looking over the past fifty years and assuming today’s naming convention, the typical “B” name will form around July 27th. Yes, July 27th. I know, some of you are saying, “that can’t be! Look at the water temperatures! This is going to be a hyperactive season!” Well, consider this:

Over the past fifty years, when did the “B” name form for those years that had thirteen or more named storms (under today’s naming convention)?
1969: Hurricane Blanche – August 11th.
1971: Hurricane #2 (would have been Beth) – August 3rd.
1984: Tropical Storm Arthur (would have been Bertha thanks to a earlier subtropical storm) – August 28th.
1995: Tropical Storm Barry – July 5th.
1996: Hurricane Bertha – July 5th.
1998: Hurricane Bonnie – August 19th.
2000: Tropical Storm Beryl – August 13th.
2001: Tropical Storm Barry – August 2nd.
2003: Tropical Storm Bill – June 28th.
2004: Tropical Storm Bonnie – August 9th.

Here’s an interesting fact: ten out of the past fifty years had thirteen or more named storms (under today’s naming convention). Of those ten years, only one of the “B” storms formed in June. I'm not saying that this year's Bret will form on any given day, or any given month for that matter. I'm just offering some food for thought...

-Mike
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#2 Postby mobilebay » Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:02 am

AS usual Senorpepr that was a well thought out, and well researched post. You continue to impress me more and more with your knowledge of the Tropics. You can tell you have dedicated yourself to learning the Tropics and Meteorology in general. VERY impressive. :D
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#3 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:09 am

Thank you Senorperp for the great post. It would be hard to make this year stand out to the last 10 years. All very impressive years. This year would need at least at 18 named storms to stick out to me over the others.


Take a look at 24 north/75 west. I think the low the models been developing is doing so.
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#4 Postby LCfromFL » Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:24 am

Mike...thanks for posting! How long did that research take? Or do you mets have some sort of super-duper weather knowledgebase you can query that makes research so much easier? (LOL...something like "give me a B (storm)" and after some humming and crunching noises out spits all of this great information and statistical facts).

Anyway - I always find these types of posts to be most interesting and thought provoking...and I'm sure that there's no super duper weather query thingy that makes this all spit out with just a few keystrokes...which means that you took the time to do the research - and compile the facts - and for that....THANKS! :D
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#5 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:36 am

You can do it to. I swear I spend hours looking at this. 150 years of data.
http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/


Also a year or so ago. I runned into a site that had it as easy as put a letter or something in. Then pop!!! I lossed it some where :cry:
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#6 Postby senorpepr » Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:43 am

LCfromFL wrote:Mike...thanks for posting! How long did that research take? Or do you mets have some sort of super-duper weather knowledgebase you can query that makes research so much easier? (LOL...something like "give me a B (storm)" and after some humming and crunching noises out spits all of this great information and statistical facts).

Anyway - I always find these types of posts to be most interesting and thought provoking...and I'm sure that there's no super duper weather query thingy that makes this all spit out with just a few keystrokes...which means that you took the time to do the research - and compile the facts - and for that....THANKS! :D


Actually, during the off-season when I'm following Southern Hemisphere storms, I also spend time compiling information into a spreadsheet that I keep. This spreadsheet makes spitting out this information much easy, but it still takes some time.
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#7 Postby weatherwindow » Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:51 am

as usual, you are the statistical guru 8-) ....the weighting is certainly unmistakeable, however, maybe this is going to be another precedent setting year???......two in june and a total of three by 1 august????.....rich
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#8 Postby Trader Ron » Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:41 am

Senorpepr,

Excellent research!.

One more Stat. Since 1954, there have been 13 years where 4 or more named storms have occurred before August 15. It's not out of the question to have an early season. However, in the end, it's not the number of named storms in a given year. 1992 had only 6 named storms. You know what happened that year.
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#9 Postby dhweather » Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:57 am

Just for grins, I looked up Dr. Gray's analog years for his 2005 forecast:

1958, 1966, 1995, 2003, 2004


2003 (Bill) was the only year that had a June "B" storm in the years senorpepr posted.
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#10 Postby southerngale » Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm

Excellent job, senor! Very interesting....thanks!
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#11 Postby tailgater » Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:06 pm

This Buds for you, for all that do, Hurricane stat collector guy! :Partytime:
Seriously Thanks senorpepr
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#12 Postby SkeetoBite » Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:14 pm

These are the June or earlier "B" named storms occuring since the naming of storms began.

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Here all all "Second storm of the season" tracks, which would have been "B" storms since 1851:

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Dates removed for clarity-
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#13 Postby senorpepr » Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:14 pm

Awesome maps there, SkeetoBite!
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#14 Postby SkeetoBite » Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:09 pm

senorpepr wrote:Awesome maps there, SkeetoBite!


Thanks- Anything to assist in your analysis!

These maps are generated dynamically based on the NHC data from 1851 forward. We will launch an interface for pulic use very soon.
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#15 Postby skywarn » Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:28 pm

senorpepr wrote:Awesome maps there, SkeetoBite!


Ditto :lol:
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#16 Postby Hurricanehink » Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:52 pm

Wow, nice maps! Great job.
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#17 Postby dhweather » Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:03 pm

Skeetobite - you continue to amaze me with your great graphics.
They are greatly appreciated!!
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#18 Postby senorpepr » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:51 pm

Here's another stat: over the pasty fifty years, statistically by June 25th, the Atlantic has seen 0.72 named storms.

Then again... 44% of all statistics are made up. :wink: (Although, trust me on this one)
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