bring on the kelvin wave

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bring on the kelvin wave

#1 Postby boca » Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:36 pm

I like hurricane season,but after last year I could use a year off of the death cone. I'll take a depression or a tropical storm. Bring on el nino.
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#2 Postby Scorpion » Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:04 pm

El Nino doesn't mean all of a sudden we're safe. Andrew hit during an El Nino year, as did Camille. El Nino does not mean there will be no season.
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#3 Postby Anonymous » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:28 pm

1969 had 18 named storms...In fact...was 1969 an El Nino year???

1992 (EL NINO)

Eastern Pacific:

10 major hurricanes.

Three Hurricanes hit Mexico:
Lester in August (80 mph)
Virgil in October (Cat 2, after being Cat 4 right off coast)
Winifred in October (Formed within hours of Virgil, cat 3 into Mexico)

Iniki hit Hawaii as a Category 4

Andrew into South Florida as a Category 5

2002 (EL NINO)

Isidore and Lili both are Category 3/4's in the Gulf, both could have brought major disaster to Gulf Coast

Hurricane Kenna hit Mexico as a Category 4 in October
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#4 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:30 pm

the question is will this be a strong nino or a weak one
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#5 Postby Anonymous » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:44 pm

and..if it will happen. From the impression from what I was hearing until Dr. Landsea mentioned it...was that things would be neutral in 2005 season, and then maybe a La Nina in 2006.
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#6 Postby Windtalker » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:45 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:the question is will this be a strong nino or a weak one
Neither...we will have a neutral Season.
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#7 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:49 pm

spoke to Chris Landsea today and the Kelvin wave, and following MJO may very well bring about el nino, though it is not certain.

If we get a nino, kiss an active season good bye (while I want a quiet season, there is a major field program I am a part of that kind of needs Atlantic canes this year)
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#8 Postby Scorpion » Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:02 pm

El Nino is not good for anyone on this board. I personally hope it is an active season but with many fish. With little activity, there will be little to talk about. Lets all wish away El Nino. Someone said 1969 was an El Nino year so thats where I got Camille from. Not really sure whether it was though.
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#9 Postby MGC » Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:02 pm

We shall see if this Kelvin Wave triggers an El Nino. If it does I guess I'll have to down grade my forecast numbers as I thought it would be a neutral type season......MGC
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#10 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:17 pm

scorpion,

do you own property? if you do, I doubt you will be wishing for another very active season. One more active season and we are going to lose the tourist industry, probably resulting in a state income tax.

Lets all think before wishing for a repeat of last year.

Besides, if there is a nino, the field program merely goes to the Pacific and hangs out at Cabo
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#11 Postby Andrew92 » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:25 pm

Here's an idea if the Atlantic is quiet:

How about tracking the typhoons in the WPAC? (not that I'm wishing them on those in Asia, because I'm not)

-Andrew92
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#12 Postby KatDaddy » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:27 pm

As expected Derek, a great question. I fear this hurricane season being a homeowner and being a new parent. Much has changed over the 8-12 months. Its frightening to put myself in our Floridian friends shoes. Lets hope the Houston-Galveston Areas are spared. I follow stats closely and our time is coming even though hurricanes do not have memories. Scorpion I hope you never get to experience ground zero.
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#13 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:40 pm

he only idd experience it twice last year. However, it appears as if a cat 2 and a cat 3 seperated only 3 weeks apart is too little action for him.

No reason for alarm, I had the same attitude when I was 16. It wasnt until after I had stuff of my own and actually moved to MIA that I began to see the true horror of these canes
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#14 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:05 am

Even after going through Camille I didn't feel like I do now after going through Alicia when I owned everything and could have lost it all. Actually owning and being responsible for everything and everyone TOTALLY changes your perspective on tropical systems.
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#15 Postby The Big Dog » Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:55 am

Derek Ortt wrote:he only idd experience it twice last year. However, it appears as if a cat 2 and a cat 3 seperated only 3 weeks apart is too little action for him.

No reason for alarm, I had the same attitude when I was 16. It wasnt until after I had stuff of my own and actually moved to MIA that I began to see the true horror of these canes

Derek, KatDaddy -- he actually wants a 5 to come to his house! Ask him.

Derek, I remember last October you mentioned one model -- CMC, I think -- that was developing a Cat 3 in the Caribbean moving toward SoFla, and his eyes lit up with the prospect of yet another major hurricane coming toward him. As if the two the previous month and a scare from Ivan weren't enough. Yes, that was too little action for him. What a loon.
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#16 Postby cyclonaut » Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:33 am

As I said on another thread & many of you already know Fla especially South Fla has been pummeled by the some of the strongest hurricanes in history during slow seasons!!

So an El Nino would mean less storms but it doesnt mean one can post the all clear.Having said that I hardly believe that there will be that strong of an El Nino by peak season so still expect at least an average season.
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#17 Postby HurricaneBill » Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:48 pm

Actually, I'd say the Gulf is just as, if not more, vulnerable during an El Nino! Especially to storms that undergo rapid intensification.

1957: Hurricane Audrey

1965: Hurricane Betsy

1969: Hurricane Camille

1977: Hurricane Anita

1983: Hurricane Alicia

2002: Hurricane Lili
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#18 Postby Derek Ortt » Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:05 pm

lets not forget Andrew, Bill. Only a last minute slowdown spared LA from a repeat of Audrey
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