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Microwaves to stop hurricanes?

#1 Postby EarthStormFire » Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:21 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weather/Story/0,2763,1324052,00.html

cientists are developing techniques aimed at taming the power of the world's most devastating storms. The project, backed by funds from Nasa, would involve seeding clouds, coating seas with biodegradable 'slicks' and even beaming microwave radiation from orbiting power stations to slow or even halt hurricanes.

Controlling these great, rolling tempests - known as hurricanes in the Atlantic, typhoons in the western Pacific and cyclones in the eastern Pacific - is now considered an urgent priority. Last month Hurricane Ivan killed more than 70 people and destroyed thousands of homes, miles of roads, swaths of vegetation and scores of hotels as it swept over Grenada, Jamaica, Tobago, the Cayman Islands, the Dominican Republic, Haiti and finally Cuba. Three similar recent storms caused the same kind of devastation, and meteorologists predict the next two decades will see increases in numbers and severity of hurricanes. Global warming is likely to worsen the problem.

'Nothing stands in the way of hurricanes,' says Ross Hoffman, in the current issue of Scientific American. 'But must these fearful forces be forever beyond our control?' The answer is 'no', he adds, for one day they could be controlled thanks to developments in computing, satellite technology and material sciences.

Backed by Nasa funds, his team of scientists at Atmospheric and Environmental Research, a research and development consulting firm, have created computer simulations of past hurricanes, including Hurricane Iniki which caused enormous damage to the Hawaiian island Kauai in 1992, and Hurricane Andrew, which devastated south Florida in the same year. To their surprise they found that by making only relatively small changes to temperatures and other meteorological variables they could induce major alterations in its path and behaviour. Slight tinkering sent Iniki on a route that missed Kauai, for example. 'The question is: how can such perturbations be achieved?' asks Hoffman.

The team has proposed several answers. One is to coat the ocean in front of a hurricane with a biodegradable oil which would slow the evaporation of water from the sea surface, depriving the developing storm of its sustenance. Another technique is to seed the eyes of hurricanes with silver iodide crystals, speeding formation of ice from water vapour. Spread by aircraft, these seed clouds could cause hurricanes to dissipate, although the group acknowledges that early tests have been only partially successful.

The ultimate technique would be the construction of a flotilla of orbiting power stations that would collect the Sun's rays and beam them to Earth as microwave radiation. These satellites are considered a promising, non-polluting energy source for the future, but could also be used to heat the sea and air around hurricanes, altering their paths and dissipating their energy.


I think its about time some goverment money went into something like this.
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#2 Postby Stormsfury » Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:24 pm

Not a chance in hell ... man shouldn't even be even THINKING about tinkering with Mother Nature ... disrupting the balance will LIKELY have far worse and deadlier consequences in the future ...

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#3 Postby Droop12 » Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:36 pm

I agree SF. I dont know why idiots like these goofs think they can stop mother nature. People who live near the water take the risk of being hit with a hurricane and we are all aware of the possibilities. This kind of stuff makes me mad. I dont like to see death and destruction, but its mother nature. We cant do a thing about it, so people should stop wasting money and put it to good use somewhere else.
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#4 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:38 pm

there needs to be further studies as to the side effects of tampering with hurricanes, such as the advection of latent heat. will the side effects be worse than those we are experiencing from hurricanes
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#5 Postby Brent » Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:47 pm

This is worse than dropping that powder from the aircraft into a hurricane.

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#6 Postby Stormsfury » Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:48 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:there needs to be further studies as to the side effects of tampering with hurricanes, such as the advection of latent heat. will the side effects be worse than those we are experiencing from hurricanes


Which could easily lead to more severe extratropical cyclones ... the Earth is always in constant flux trying to balance heat (something that the Earth can never achieve). Without the proper transfer of heat from the equatorial regions to the poles, we're asking for far greater consequences ...
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#7 Postby cycloneye » Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:57 pm

I say simply DONT MESS WITH MOTHER NATURE.
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#8 Postby EarthStormFire » Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:58 pm

Brent wrote:This is worse than dropping that powder from the aircraft into a hurricane.

:roflmao:


Well I think it is a good idea and so does NASA. I am sure they know more than you do. The microwave idea should work because it will cause the ocean tempeture to rise near the storm and a drop in pressure there, in affect this will cause the storm to move towards where the temp rise and pressure drop is since it is will become the easiest path to take. This wont weaken the storm but it will move it somewhere else.
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#9 Postby 9:48 » Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:07 pm

An early design for the microwave satellite platform:
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#10 Postby Scorpion » Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:29 pm

Hmmm lets heat the sea and air surrounding the hurricane!! Great idea of destroying marine life and intensifying hurricanes!! Also, without hurricanes, who knows what will happen to the climate? Many places will get hotter and drier, others will get cooler and wetter. Could trigger massive extinctions. Messing with mother nature is like cocking a gun right at your head.
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#11 Postby MGC » Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:41 pm

This theory was put forth in an article in the October issue of Scientific American. I read it and the article is pie-in-the-sky science fiction....MGC
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#12 Postby EarthStormFire » Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:01 pm

MGC wrote:This theory was put forth in an article in the October issue of Scientific American. I read it and the article is pie-in-the-sky science fiction....MGC


Well sorry I trust experts with Ph.Ds on the subject more than you.
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#13 Postby mascpa » Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:07 pm

Sometimes, humans can be so arrogant. To even consider that man could control mother nature is ridiculous. IMHO.
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#14 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:18 pm

changing the temp profile will affect the steering. That is a very simple thermal wind question which can be calculated out after drinking 3 litres of wine.

However, how will this affect the SIZE of the hurricane. It will likely intensify the hurricane by just providing more latent heat. However, before this idea would ever be given the green light, there would need to be widespread acceptance regarding the matter; thus, we will need modeling studies on many more storms that the 1992 US major hurricanes. Perhaps this year may provide us with that sample.

One caveat, it wont work for the Carib or the GOM, once in there, the storm will have to hit land
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#15 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:29 pm

NASA, with all my respects since I love Astronomy, should use their money to fund ways to make houses safier, and to fabricate better materials that would substained the hurricane-force winds.

Everyone will love to destroy every hurricane that forms in the WORLD, but we have to remember that for every cause, there is an effect. If Mother Nature creates hurricanes, is simply because they are there for something. The same way our planet needs earthquakes, and volcanoes. Is simply a way to maintain a balance in Nature.

After all, if they distroy hurricanes then I will have to prepare myself to chase tornadoes, or to track extra-tropical lows, and I don't want to do that; especially the tornado thing! :)
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#16 Postby EarthStormFire » Mon Oct 11, 2004 11:02 pm

The worst problem I see is that you might have a storm that would hit SC as a cat 2 with out human intervention, but by heating up the ocean and affecting the storm, you end up having a storm hitting bermuda as a cat 4. So innocent people where placed in danger to help another gorup of people.
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#17 Postby vbhoutex » Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:01 am

Stormsfury wrote:Not a chance in hell ... man shouldn't even be even THINKING about tinkering with Mother Nature ... disrupting the balance will LIKELY have far worse and deadlier consequences in the future ...

SF


AMEN to that!!!

Last time the government went into the storm seeding business one of the storms indeed did weaken and then came back even stronger I remember correctly. I don't remember which one but I know Project Stormsfury was stopped because of it.
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#18 Postby Sanibel » Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:11 am

If you think about it, if you could knock a category 5 storm making a bee-line for Miami down to a category 2 you would be doing a lot more good than harm.

If hurricanes are transferers of heat to the upper atmosphere then a category 2 would do that as well. But if it was a long-tracker you would only be removing a small % of the total hurricane life. So it isn't like you stopped the heat transfer process completely.

I'd be for it in such situations. But only if it could be done environmentally. There would still be plenty of storms transferring heat out in the ocean. The only ones you would be affecting would be ones about to landfall and dissipate anyway...
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#19 Postby crice » Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:00 pm

I've been waiting for my jet-car since the 70's (the Jetson years). If NASA can't solve that one how are they going to solve the weather problems?
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#20 Postby storm4u » Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:56 pm

Even if they could i wouldnt want them to i think its stupid to stop the natural cycle of the earth let it just do what it wants if people didnt build in places like miami then there wouldnt be a problem. If you dont want anything like a hurricane dont move near the coast but no matter where you move to your gunna have some kind of bad weather to deal with so stop complaining. :eek:
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