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cycloneye wrote:Last year on January 20th, invest 90E was up for an area NE of Hawaii but didn't form into a sub or tropical cyclone, so anything can happen between now and May 15th. The earliest formation of a tropical cyclone in the Eastern Pacific basin since the satellite era began in 1966 was TD One-E on April 25, 2020 and the earliest first TS was Andres on May 9, 2021.
Hurricane2022 wrote:cycloneye wrote:Last year on January 20th, invest 90E was up for an area NE of Hawaii but didn't form into a sub or tropical cyclone, so anything can happen between now and May 15th. The earliest formation of a tropical cyclone in the Eastern Pacific basin since the satellite era began in 1966 was TD One-E on April 25, 2020 and the earliest first TS was Andres on May 9, 2021.
Yellow Evan wrote:All I will say for now is if you want an active season that exceeds last year (which got 94 ACE) without an El Niño:
-Hope for +PNA/TNH and -NPO(?) to warm up the Pacific horseshoe and cool off the waters near the Aleutians. This could reverse the -PDO, and in extreme circumstances set up a prolonged period of +PDO (2014-18 is the poster child of this).
-Hope for a -AMO return. This probably won’t happen for another decade or so but this would result in rising motion over Central America especially in non-El Niño years.
If neither happens, 100 ACE is probably the ceiling unless there’s a Niño which are not most years. If there is a first year La Niña and we remain +AMO/-PDO, ACE probably falls in the 50-80 range. Otherwise, probably 100 ACE is the ceiling.
Yellow Evan wrote:[Div]Yellow Evan wrote:All I will say for now is if you want an active season that exceeds last year (which got 94 ACE) without an El Niño:
-Hope for +PNA/TNH and -NPO(?) to warm up the Pacific horseshoe and cool off the waters near the Aleutians. This could reverse the -PDO, and in extreme circumstances set up a prolonged period of +PDO (2014-18 is the poster child of this).
-Hope for a -AMO return. This probably won’t happen for another decade or so but this would result in rising motion over Central America especially in non-El Niño years.
If neither happens, 100 ACE is probably the ceiling unless there’s a Niño which are not most years. If there is a first year La Niña and we remain +AMO/-PDO, ACE probably falls in the 50-80 range. Otherwise, probably 100 ACE is the ceiling.
Most of this still applies from last year even if 2022 defied the odds with 122 ACE. There’s probably more of a chance of PDO reversal than last year but I still wouldn’t count on it. Even an El Niño is just the difference between 135 ACE (if that) and 95 ACE most likely if accompanied by nothing else particularly favorable.
Yellow Evan wrote:2001 and 2012 are the most obvious analogs if Nino fails. Probably in the Atlantic too tbh.
Kingarabian wrote:Yellow Evan wrote:2001 and 2012 are the most obvious analogs if Nino fails. Probably in the Atlantic too tbh.
Agree but if El Nino fails to form and we end up with a 4th year -ENSO, then 2013 could be a better analog than 2012.
dexterlabio wrote:Kingarabian wrote:Yellow Evan wrote:2001 and 2012 are the most obvious analogs if Nino fails. Probably in the Atlantic too tbh.
Agree but if El Nino fails to form and we end up with a 4th year -ENSO, then 2013 could be a better analog than 2012.
2012 was almost El Nino wasn't it?
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