NASA begins science flights with robotic jet

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NASA begins science flights with robotic jet

#1 Postby brunota2003 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:07 pm

I decided to put this in the TT section because of it's implications to not only weather in general, but also tropical weather (as some flights are supposed to be done this hurricane season!). I am quite excited about these jets and have been wondering why hurricanes didn't leap out there immediately.

"Able to carry more than 1,000 pounds of science instruments, a Global Hawk can operate at altitudes up to 65,000 feet and stay aloft for 30 hours while flying a distance of more than 12,600 miles."

Base one of those bad boys in the windward islands, and we could use it for some serious studying of anything tropical.

Outfit it with dropsondes, and it could replace the rare G-IV flight! The only thing you'd have to do is land it after the 30 hours, refuel and restock it, and take back off. Have a ground crew on standby and the turn around time could be a few hours. Even better, have two or three...so one is on station while the others undergo their maintenance checks, then one of the spares could take off to replace the one that needs to come in (like they do with the constant flights from the Hurricane Hunters). Do you realize how much that could HELP forecast models predict the movement of hurricanes?

The only downside is it can only carry 1000 pounds of equipment...looks like we need some upgraded ones, so we can get more out there. Could one be outfitted with radar, so we have near constant radar images of a hurricane while it is out to sea? I bet we could learn a lot more with those images! There are a million different things we could do with one of those (or something similar).

Does anyone know what they plan on trying out with it this year?

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100414/ap_ ... lobal_hawk

EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. – One of NASA's newest research jets soared high over the Pacific Ocean Tuesday on a 24-hour mission to study Earth's atmosphere.

Its pilot remained seated in an office chair in a windowless room in the Mojave Desert, monitoring the autonomous flight of the Global Hawk via an array of computer screens.

Global Hawks were designed to perform high-altitude, long-endurance reconnaissance and intelligence missions for the Air Force, which has turned over to NASA three versions built in the developmental process.

This month, NASA has begun putting one to work for the first time with flights over vast areas of the Pacific to demonstrate the scientific usefulness of the unmanned aircraft.

"It's never been used by a civilian agency, and it's never been used for Earth science," said David W. Fahey, a research physicist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Distinguished by its bulbous, whale-shaped nose, top-mounted engine and V-tail, the Global Hawk is 44 feet long and its wings span 116 feet — almost the wingspan of the latest Boeing 737s.

Able to carry more than 1,000 pounds of science instruments, a Global Hawk can operate at altitudes up to 65,000 feet and stay aloft for 30 hours while flying a distance of more than 12,600 miles.

This will allow Global Hawks to sample remote regions of the atmosphere such as the equatorial regions of the oceans and the arctic and Antarctic, Fahey said.

"Given its range and duration, you can be away from these locations and effectively operate this platform to do the kind of sampling we're interested in," he said.

The Global Hawk is effectively a hybrid between a satellite and an aircraft, said Paul Newman, senior scientist in NASA's Atmospherics, Chemistry and Dynamics Branch at Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

"This plane naturally flies in the stratosphere, so it's a perfect platform for ozone-depletion science," he said.

In the fall, a Global Hawk will be tested for its ability to contribute to hurricane research in the Atlantic.

Acquisition of the Global Hawks marks the latest conversion of military technology to civilian use by NASA.

The space agency, for example, flies a converted high-altitude U-2 spy plane that has been redesignated ER-2, and a Predator B unmanned aircraft that has been given the Native American name Ikhana. In the 1990s, NASA used two Air Force SR-71 Blackbird spy planes for high-speed, high-altitude research.

One of NASA's immediate goals is to expand the envelope of the Global Hawks, Newman said.

"The military typically flies at a constant altitude. They turn their instruments on when the get to a target, and they turn them off when they leave a target," Newman said.

Scientists, however, want to turn on their instruments on the ground and turn them off only when the aircraft is back on the ground to acquire a "vertical profile of information," he said.

Various problems prevent that for the time being.

Also, for now the Federal Aviation Administration allows the Global Hawks to operate only over oceans while the safety of unmanned aircraft in the nation's airspace is studied.

The Global Hawk that departed Edwards on Tuesday was expected to fly north off the Pacific coast of North America, turn west along the Aleutian Islands and then south.

Below the Hawaiian islands, the craft was to turn east and fly below the orbital path of a cluster of Earth-observing satellites known as the A-Train.

This was to allow actual sampling of the particles of the atmosphere that the satellites measure remotely from space. One instrument aboard the aircraft is a laser identical to one in orbit.

"So we can prove that those satellites are working correctly," Newman said.

The Global Hawk was expected to return to California at about 7 a.m. Wednesday.

The first flight in the Global Hawk Pacific campaign occurred April 7 and lasted 14 hours. Three more flights are planned.
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Re: NASA begins science flights with robotic jet

#2 Postby MGC » Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:52 pm

I am all for this type of recon bird. No need to risk the lives of a crew when a remotely piloted plane could do most of the job......MGC
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#3 Postby DanKellFla » Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:56 am

The weight limit isn't really a problem. Since it is unmanned, multiple aircraft can be used. New UAVs with greater capabilities are already in flight which will increase the availibility of the Global Hawks for weather related missions.
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Re: NASA begins science flights with robotic jet

#4 Postby wxman57 » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:52 am

They've been running tests on the Global Hawk for a few years now. I heard a presentation on it in 2008 at the Orlando AMS conference. Currently, planes are based at Edwards AFB in California. That significantly limits time over the tropical Atlantic. The drones are not allowed to fly over any populated areas on the way to the Gulf, so they fly along the US border with Mexico. They have the capability of reaching the east Atlantic and staying on site for a few hours, or heading to the Gulf and staying in a storm for many hours.

Big issue was funding. They had only 1 or 2 of these planes and were afraid to risk them by flying into a storm. I believe they can carry 1000 or so microsondes, smaller versions of the GPS dropsonde the C-130 carries. Researchers were still experimenting with various instrument packages. They wouldn't replace manned recon flights, as these drones would fly at higher levels.
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