Pascal & Bernoulli principles combined weaken hurricanes

[DoctorHurricane2003]

haha gotta love those armchair quarterbacks

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

I would not mess up the oceans cirulations right now if you gived me a billion dollars. This idea is likely to get us all killed.

[Air Force Met]

Ah shoot I should have used spelcheck

Perhaps "spellcheck" would work better for you.

Too bad there's not a "theorycheck" on the internet.

[DoctorHurricane2003]

theorycheck? Now THAT's a million-dollar idea

[Air Force Met]

I would not mess up the oceans cirulations right now if you gived me a billion dollars. This idea is likely to get us all killed.

Yeah...that's what I want to do...make the poles colder and the tropics hotter. I'm sure everyone would just love us for that. Sure...People in Florida and the Gulf Coast might be better of during hurricane season...

But then they would start paying more for food because of all the cold winters in Europe and the bad weather in the mid-west.

The best way to keep from getting blasted by a major hurricane is to not live right on the coast. There is an old football saying: "You live by the blitz...you die by the blitz."

[cyclonekiller]

I would not mess up the oceans cirulations right now if you gived me a billion dollars. This idea is likely to get us all killed.

Hey you didn't use proper grammer. Anyways, logic tells you the water in the manometer tube will just equalize. Correct?

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

I would not mess up the oceans cirulations right now if you gived me a billion dollars. This idea is likely to get us all killed.

Hey you didn't use proper grammer. Anyways, logic tells you the water in the manometer tube will just equalize. Correct?

I don't really care It has more to do with adding fresh water into the cirulation. Get a clue because you seem not to have one.

[DoctorHurricane2003]

Yeah people just need to realize that if they choose to live on the coast or in Florida, they have to accept the reality of hurricanes and that their homes may be destroyed if one comes and that they may lose their lives if they stay during one. If you want to complain about them, hate them, etc., then move somewhere else. It's that simple. If you still want to live on the beach, move to California, but don't complain to us about earthquakes. Or, move to New Jersey, or Maine....but again, don't complain to us when winter sets in.

For the less fortunate that cannot move, people have realized the importance of providing public transportation to help them out during evacuations. Now, they must decide whether to stay or go on the public transportation. If they choose to stay, they must realize that they may lose their lives.

I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. If you don't like it, tough.

[cyclonekiller]

I would not mess up the oceans cirulations right now if you gived me a billion dollars. This idea is likely to get us all killed.

Hey you didn't use proper grammer. Anyways, logic tells you the water in the manometer tube will just equalize. Correct?

I don't really care It has more to do with adding fresh water into the cirulation. Get a clue because you seem not to have one.

The ocean is salt water in the tropics with density differences where do you get fresh water?

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Tropical waters have alot of salt in them. The deeper ocean waters are colder with less salt. In which putting that colder water into the warmer surface water would cause bad things.


Second Washington DC, would look at your idea of building a mile wide pump line a litlle crossed eyed.

[James]

I agree. Changing the set up of nature can only mean bad things. The balance is in a precarious state of equilibrium as it is, without us changing things that we do not have a complete grasp of.

Nature will take care of itself, we just have to endure the ride we are taken on.

[Air Force Met]

Anyways, logic tells you the water in the manometer tube will just equalize. Correct?

Since when do you use logic?

Anyway...here are the questions you are "missing" AGAIN! Maybe if I put them on here again you will finally get to them.

1) You finally answered this one.

2) You said there would be no harm to marine life in the Gulf, since the Gulf temps in winter were already used to being in the low 70's. I made the statement that since you wanted to lower summer time Gulf temps into the mid 70's that this would mean wintertime gulf temps would then be lowered into the upper 50's to low 60's. What will the impacts on marine life be in the Gulf when water temps are lowered to that level (since the only reason winter temps are in the low 70's is because summer temps are in the mid 80's).

3) Who is going to pay for the $35+ trillion dollars it would take to do this project? This is 35 trillion in materials alone for the gulf alone. Add labor.

4) Since the Gulf temps would be lowered year around, this would mean more heat in the tropics and less heat transported to the mid-lats...thus a greater temp difference...which is the key ingredient for severe weather. Add to this a plan for the Gulf stream and you also icrease this temp contrast for Europe. The question is: What will happen to winters north of 35N and what will happen to the severe weather season given the fact the jet stream energy will increase and the temp delta will also increase (meaning parameters for summer and winter severe weather will increase)?

5) In lowering the Gulf Stream Temperature and the loop current temp, what will be the net result on the THC? and how will this effect European Winters?

[cyclonekiller]

Tropical waters have alot of salt in them. The deeper ocean waters are colder with less salt. In which putting that colder water into the warmer surface water would cause bad things.


Second Washington DC, would look at your idea of building a mile wide pump line a litlle crossed eyed.

I want to tap into 60 degree water not 32 degree water and mix it with the 90 degree water at the surface which means we don't have to go as deep. The average temperature when mixed would be 75 degrees well below the temperature required for cyclogenisis and well above winter time temperatures.No sea life will be harmed. They would only tap into the cooler water for 8 days prior to the hurricanes arrival and cool a narrow strip of the gulfstream 40 miles wide by 1000 miles long to 75 degrees thus protecting the East coast. After the strom passes the flow of water is shunted back to the surface and continue to generate 75,000 MWs of electrical power.

[DoctorHurricane2003]

I just loled really loudly

[Air Force Met]

I want to tap into 60 degree water not 32 degree water and mix it with the 90 degree water at the surface which means we don't have to go as deep. The average temperature when mixed would be 75 degrees well below the temperature required for cyclogenisis and well above winter time temperatures.No sea life will be harmed. They would only tap into the cooler water for 8 days prior to the hurricanes arrival and cool a narrow strip of the gulfstream 40 miles wide by 1000 miles long to 75 degrees thus protecting the East coast. After the strom passes the flow of water is shunted back to the surface and continue to generate 75,000 MWs of electrical power.

OK...calculate the number of pipes that will be required for you to have to take 22.2 trillion cubic feet of water (your defined area) from 90 degrees down to 75. You must take into account that a lot of the 60F water will sink, new 90F water will be advected in and solar insolation.

So...how many miles of pipe will you need and how much will it cost? Since this is your idea...sell it.

[cyclonekiller]

I want to tap into 60 degree water not 32 degree water and mix it with the 90 degree water at the surface which means we don't have to go as deep. The average temperature when mixed would be 75 degrees well below the temperature required for cyclogenisis and well above winter time temperatures.No sea life will be harmed. They would only tap into the cooler water for 8 days prior to the hurricanes arrival and cool a narrow strip of the gulfstream 40 miles wide by 1000 miles long to 75 degrees thus protecting the East coast. After the strom passes the flow of water is shunted back to the surface and continue to generate 75,000 MWs of electrical power.

OK...calculate the number of pipes that will be required for you to have to take 22.2 trillion cubic feet of water (your defined area) from 90 degrees down to 75. You must take into account that a lot of the 60F water will sink, new 90F water will be advected in and solar insolation.

So...how many miles of pipe will you need and how much will it cost? Since this is your idea...sell it.

Yep I know that. You must also remember that as the water sinks it is also mixing with the warmer water below it thus cooling it. I have calculated that 330,000,000 million cubic feet of water per hour exit each of the 1500 tunnels that span the 40 mile cross section of the gulf stream.

[Air Force Met]

Oh...and you realize you will need at least 1000M of material oer tube..right? I mean if you want the right flow (after all...it can't be straight up and down)...and you want to go all the way down to 60F in teh Gulf Stream.

So how many feet of pipe is that over 40,000 square MILES of ocean? How many tons of pipe is that? HOw much will that cost?

How big in diameter will the tubes be?

[Air Force Met]

Yep I know that. You must also remember that as the water sinks it is also mixing with the warmer water below it thus cooling it. I have calculated that 330,000,000 million cubic feet of water per hour exit each of the 1500 tunnels that span the 40 mile cross section of the gulf stream.

Please provide that data. Give the diameter and flow rate. Give the length of each tube...the depth to which it is placed. If this is on a simple 2-4 knot current because of the bernoulli principle, please explain how you get 333,000,000 million cubic feet of water per hour...which is
333,000,000,000,000 or 333 trillion cubic feet of water per hour.

Provide the data...don't just give the numbers. Give your formulas for coming up with your data.

[DoctorHurricane2003]

My personal favourite post from WZ:

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posted October 30, 2005 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by cyclonebuster:
Birds don't fly they just hop long distances. Correct,Doctorhurricane2001?

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[Air Force Met]

Yep I know that. You must also remember that as the water sinks it is also mixing with the warmer water below it thus cooling it. I have calculated that 330,000,000 million cubic feet of water per hour exit each of the 1500 tunnels that span the 40 mile cross section of the gulf stream.

OK...let's assume you really meant 330 million cubic feet per hour. That is 92,000 cubic feet per second per tunnel. Right?

Ok...now. Let's ASSUME that each of the tunnels are 20' in diameter...which is really large...because any larger and you are going to have big problems with current and cost...but I will still make the calculations because I will still win this argument and show that you don't know what you are talking about.

OK...at 92,000 cu/ft per sec with a 20' diam. tube, the water exiting the tube must be moving at 294 feet per second...or 200 mph. Now...somehow I think the bernoulli principle has nothing to do with this. Please explain to me how you are going to get 5,700,000 lbs of water per second moving at over 200 mph?

With a 50' diameter tube, the water existing the tube at 100 mph. How do you plan on moving this amount of water at 100 MPH?

With a 200' diameter tube...the water must still be moving above 6 mph.

So...in order for your bernoulli principle to work (which it won't)...and for you to arrive at your 330 million cu ft per hour, you need a tube that is a little over 250' in diamter... or 785' around...and because of the size it will need to be several inches thick.

Your production cost just went well beyond my original 35 trillion dollar estimate.

Do you still wish to continue a scientific debate?