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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#441 Postby northjaxpro » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:54 am

:uarrow: I apparently overlooked the current indicators are signaling shear dropoff down there. We will see if that lasts. These assessments can change. Personally, I hope that shear remains strong in the Caribbean in that it will keep down the number of damaging tropical cyclones from impacting areas down there and the CONUS. Shear levels are not crippling as they were in other years right now, but the Dry air really has been the major problem in the MDR and Caribbean.

We will know more better when we get into September...
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#442 Postby floridasun78 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:58 am

dry air been controling the tropical if seen how big tropical wave hit it their almost go puff their few done that moving trough Atlantic plus shear been strong eastern Caribbean as wave go toward leewards island
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#443 Postby Red eye » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:52 am

NDG wrote:Closer look at the 12z Euro, it has cyclogenis just offshore of FL Panhandle then onshore before going offshore again, ending over southern LA.
Also notice coming into the picture the tropical wave that is currently moving off of Africa which the GFS shows developing as it approaches FL.


That's almost exactly the path of the storm that flooded south Louisiana in 2016.
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#444 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:05 pm

12z gfs lines up with the euro now. Just farther offshore.
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#445 Postby DioBrando » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:22 pm

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NDG wrote:Closer look at the 12z Euro, it has cyclogenis just offshore of FL Panhandle then onshore before going offshore again, ending over southern LA.
Also notice coming into the picture the tropical wave that is currently moving off of Africa which the GFS shows developing as it approaches FL.


That's almost exactly the path of the storm that flooded south Louisiana in 2016.

Hermine?
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#446 Postby AnnularCane » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:41 pm

DioBrando wrote:
Red eye wrote:
NDG wrote:Closer look at the 12z Euro, it has cyclogenis just offshore of FL Panhandle then onshore before going offshore again, ending over southern LA.
Also notice coming into the picture the tropical wave that is currently moving off of Africa which the GFS shows developing as it approaches FL.


That's almost exactly the path of the storm that flooded south Louisiana in 2016.

Hermine?


It was an unnamed storm, around mid-August.
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#447 Postby Hammy » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:29 pm

Models seem like they've given up on development off the east coast from the trough.
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#448 Postby NDG » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:47 pm

12z Euro keeps the weak surface low moving inland over the weekend into early next week unlike previos runs.
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#449 Postby stormlover2013 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:47 pm

EURO Ensembles are kinda interesting for a BOC system

https://weather.us/cyclone-tracks/euro/ ... 2-240.html
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#450 Postby DioBrando » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:51 pm

i've just peeked at that link above. notice the blue lines in the gom and off the us east coast. i've also noticed dark blue spots too. if this verifies we could start september on erin or fernand. this is surely interesting.
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#451 Postby LarryWx » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:10 pm

DioBrando wrote:i've just peeked at that link above. notice the blue lines in the gom and off the us east coast. i've also noticed dark blue spots too. if this verifies we could start september on erin or fernand. this is surely interesting.


My interpretation of the 12Z Euro ensembles (50+ members) is that all the way through day 15 (the above discussed link stops at day 10) it is a much quieter than average run for the climo relatively busy 8/12-27. Out of these 50+ members, there's hardly even a minimal hurricane through the entire 15 days in the entire basin! This is amazingly quiet, folks, for mid to late August! If one wants a busy August, this is not what one should want to see.
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#452 Postby CyclonicFury » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:17 pm

LarryWx wrote:
DioBrando wrote:i've just peeked at that link above. notice the blue lines in the gom and off the us east coast. i've also noticed dark blue spots too. if this verifies we could start september on erin or fernand. this is surely interesting.


My interpretation of the 12Z Euro ensembles (50+ members) is that all the way through day 15 (the above discussed link stops at day 10) it is a much quieter than average run for the climo relatively busy 8/12-27. Out of these 50+ members, there's hardly even a minimal hurricane through the entire 15 days in the entire basin! This is amazingly quiet, folks, for mid to late August! If one wants a busy August, this is not what one should want to see.

Does it show any MDR activity yet?
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#453 Postby WeatherEmperor » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:26 pm

CyclonicFury wrote:
LarryWx wrote:
DioBrando wrote:i've just peeked at that link above. notice the blue lines in the gom and off the us east coast. i've also noticed dark blue spots too. if this verifies we could start september on erin or fernand. this is surely interesting.


My interpretation of the 12Z Euro ensembles (50+ members) is that all the way through day 15 (the above discussed link stops at day 10) it is a much quieter than average run for the climo relatively busy 8/12-27. Out of these 50+ members, there's hardly even a minimal hurricane through the entire 15 days in the entire basin! This is amazingly quiet, folks, for mid to late August! If one wants a busy August, this is not what one should want to see.

Does it show any MDR activity yet?


A little bit of a hint in MDR activity. Has a nice low pressure area near thw Cabo Verde islands at 240hrs

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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#454 Postby jconsor » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:26 pm

The lack of activity projected by models next two weeks shouldn't be too surprising. *All* of the years since 1995 with a strong W African monsoon saw little significant activity (i.e hurricanes) in the MDR starting from Aug 1 through most of the month, until either the last week of Aug or early Sep.

This includes 1999, 2003, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2016, 2017 and 2018.

Main reason has been discussed here by Cyclonicfury and others- when the W African monsoon is strong, rainfall in Sahel and the ITCZ are displaced north of climo, and the climo ITCZ position in Aug is already the northernmost of any month in hurricane season. This generally means tropical waves come off the African coast at too high a latitude to develop, encountering too much dry air and cool SSTs.

Even Irma and Florence, which broke the exended spell of no MDR development in the past two years, came off at an unusually high latitude for a developing Cape Verde TC.

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My interpretation of the 12Z Euro ensembles (50+ members) is that all the way through day 15 (the above discussed link stops at day 10) it is a much quieter than average run for the climo relatively busy 8/12-27. Out of these 50+ members, there's hardly even a minimal hurricane through the entire 15 days! This is amazingly quiet, folks, for mid to late August! If one wants a busy August, this is not what one should want to see.
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#455 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:30 pm

One thing is for certain nothing is coming off africa for a week or so with that large low over central africa.

The itcz from the cape verde islands east is moving the wrong direction all the way to nearly central africa lol..

The wave that just recently left africa that the GFS want to develop something later on is the last one for a few days to a week.

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/m ... anim=html5
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#456 Postby LarryWx » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:35 pm

CyclonicFury wrote:
LarryWx wrote:
DioBrando wrote:i've just peeked at that link above. notice the blue lines in the gom and off the us east coast. i've also noticed dark blue spots too. if this verifies we could start september on erin or fernand. this is surely interesting.


My interpretation of the 12Z Euro ensembles (50+ members) is that all the way through day 15 (the above discussed link stops at day 10) it is a much quieter than average run for the climo relatively busy 8/12-27. Out of these 50+ members, there's hardly even a minimal hurricane through the entire 15 days in the entire basin! This is amazingly quiet, folks, for mid to late August! If one wants a busy August, this is not what one should want to see.

Does it show any MDR activity yet?


Still not much yet. There are very few member of TS+ strength in the MDR through day 15. Most of what's showing are of only TD strength. It appears to me that the best shot at a TC the next 2 weeks is the homegrown type stuff that has been discussed. These sometimes are not forecasted well by the models. Assuming a quiet MDR, that sort of opens the door a little bit for a possible western basin genesis imo.
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#458 Postby DioBrando » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:57 pm

LarryWx wrote:
CyclonicFury wrote:
LarryWx wrote:
My interpretation of the 12Z Euro ensembles (50+ members) is that all the way through day 15 (the above discussed link stops at day 10) it is a much quieter than average run for the climo relatively busy 8/12-27. Out of these 50+ members, there's hardly even a minimal hurricane through the entire 15 days in the entire basin! This is amazingly quiet, folks, for mid to late August! If one wants a busy August, this is not what one should want to see.

Does it show any MDR activity yet?


Still not much yet. There are very few member of TS+ strength in the MDR through day 15. Most of what's showing are of only TD strength. It appears to me that the best shot at a TC the next 2 weeks is the homegrown type stuff that has been discussed. These sometimes are not forecasted well by the models. Assuming a quiet MDR, that sort of opens the door a little bit for a possible western basin genesis imo.


Thought so. Maybe a TD and Chantal?
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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#459 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:06 pm

well on a side note... chances of a US impact of anything that does develop increases quite a lot over the next 2 weeks.. probability of 500 mb heights.

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Re: 2019 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

#460 Postby Red eye » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:13 pm

DioBrando wrote:
Red eye wrote:
NDG wrote:Closer look at the 12z Euro, it has cyclogenis just offshore of FL Panhandle then onshore before going offshore again, ending over southern LA.
Also notice coming into the picture the tropical wave that is currently moving off of Africa which the GFS shows developing as it approaches FL.


That's almost exactly the path of the storm that flooded south Louisiana in 2016.

Hermine?


No, I'm sorry, and I should've been more specific. Not a named storm. It was a tropical depression/low that approached from the East and traveled West. Right around this time of year. It set up shop right on top of I-10 from Crowley to Baton Rouge and poured about 30" in two days in some places. 25" around my immediate vicinity. It was a major flood event that warranted national disaster declaration. A real life changer for us and tens of thousands of my neighbors.
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