Question (Hurricane history, etc.)-Biggest 'dud' storm ever?

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#41 Postby wxmann_91 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:38 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Emily for the Yuctan. Here is my reasoning, a day in a half before it had 153 knot flight level winds reported by recon. With 136 knots Hrd surface winds. Which makes it very close to being a cat5. The data shown it to be a cat4 into the Yuctan. Then when we get the reports out of there we find that there is only cat1 or maybe cat2 damage??? It was a big suprize. I don't know if I should call it a dud at this landfall. But nowhere near what I was expecting. Over northern Mexico different story.


IMHO Emily wasn't a dud at the Yucatan. The damage pictures at Playa del Carmen weren't as bad as I thought they'd be, but still horrible. And to this date, I haven't seen any damage pictures from Tulum or Cozumel, and the damage there could've been worse. Don't forget, the Mexican government tends to say "no damage" when there's been a lot, and much of the media actually believes it.
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#42 Postby Frank2 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:58 am

I wouldn't call it a "dud", but, as others mentioned, Debby (2000) is near the top of the list - even Jim Cantore was in Miami, awaiting the forecasted Category 3 or 4 hurricane - we only had a few light showers as the remnants passed south of us.

I can tell you this - I know that many former Hurricane Andrew casualities (myself included in that total) were praying very hard - the power of prayers!

Whew!

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#43 Postby Frank2 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:03 am

Re: BayouVenteux's post

Yes, Kate was a surprise - since it approached Miami 3 or 4 days before Thanskgiving (!), folks here didn't know whether to pack the supermarket to buy a turkey or bottle water!

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#44 Postby EDR1222 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:29 am

Frank2 wrote:Re: BayouVenteux's post

Yes, Kate was a surprise - since it approached Miami 3 or 4 days before Thanskgiving (!), folks here didn't know whether to pack the supermarket to buy a turkey or bottle water!

Frank


I wonder if many bought canned ham that year instead? :lol:
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#45 Postby Jim Cantore » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:55 am

How about Dean in 2001 origionally some people hyped it as the next Andrew (suuuuree)
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#46 Postby Jim Cantore » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:02 pm

Even Isabel in 2003 if it wasn't for the sheer it would have been a strong cat 4 at landfall (140-150 maybe)

Opal even in a way (a good way that might have been worse then Ivan if it hit at 150)

Barry and Chantal in 2001 even Barry was supposed be be a hurricane and so was Chantal and Chantal was supposed to threaten the U.S

Iris in 2001 (after landfall I've never seen a Cat 4 die so quick)

even Mitch look how much worse it could have been if it hit at 180mph more damage then Andrew maybe 25,000-50,000 dead

Gordon in 2000 for obvious reasons (lost it's steam)

Even Frances last year $8 billion at 105 imagine at 145.
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#47 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:04 pm

About Debby,

it was NEVER forecast to make landfall as anything more than a cat 2 in S fla. The media went nuts over a shoe in major hurricane when NHC NEVER forecast a cat 3. GFDL said a cat 4, but not the NHC.

That was a dud of the medias making alone
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#48 Postby Jim Cantore » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:45 pm

Especially of the Media

But overall it still was a dud
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#49 Postby jasons2k » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:49 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:About Debby,

it was NEVER forecast to make landfall as anything more than a cat 2 in S fla. The media went nuts over a shoe in major hurricane when NHC NEVER forecast a cat 3. GFDL said a cat 4, but not the NHC.

That was a dud of the medias making alone


Hey Derek, I have to say yes and no. Yes, the NHC even recognized the GFDL as an outlier but they were still concerned Debby could be a major, and even cited this in the discussions. Monroe County was about to intiate a large scale evacuation of the Keys.

Yes it was overhyped. But her rapid demise surprised everyone.
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#50 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:10 pm

they mentioned the possibility in the discussions, but the official NHC forecast only indicated a landfalling cat 1 or 2. The 3-5 was strictly the media's doing
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#51 Postby HurricaneBill » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:06 pm

OK, let's turn the tables.

Which storms were WORSE than expected or underhyped?

Worse than expected:
Hurricane Diane 1955 (I think many of the unexpected disasters are the hurricanes that stick around)

Hurricane Audrey 1957

Hurricane Cleo 1964 (quickly strengthened from 80 mph to 110 mph in the 8 hours prior to landfall on Florida)

Hurricane Agnes 1972

Hurricane Joan 1988 (Hurricanes that low in altitude don't usually get to Category 4. Plus, didn't Joan actually strengthen near high mountainous terrain?)

Hurricane Mitch 1998 (Even though Mitch weakened greatly before landfall, I don't anybody was expecting Mitch to be the deadliest hurricane in over 200 years.)

Tropical Storm Allison 2001

Hurricane Charley 2004 (Yeah, Charley missed Tampa, but Charley had not been forecasted to go above a low-end Category 3).
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#52 Postby EDR1222 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:23 pm

People from Texas will probably correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Hurricane Alicia in 1983 might have done more damage then they thought it was going to do. Very costly storm.
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#53 Postby sma10 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:46 pm

Given the way the media is today, it's almost impossible to believe there can ever be an UNDER-hyped storm.
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#54 Postby sma10 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:54 pm

As far as complete and utter duds are concerned, one would be hard pressed to beat Debby in 2000. From Hurricane to open wave in little more than 24 hours, the thing completely poofed. But some with sharp memories may remember that one model outlier (ECMWF) predicted Debby's demise very accurately.
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#55 Postby Shoshana » Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:03 pm

I don't know about the biggest dud, but the biggest surprise stormsI can think of were both here in Texas just a few miles from each other.

First was the 1900 Galveston hurricane. NWS kept telling everyone the hurricane was crossing Florida w to e and then coming up the east coast. Instead it was zipping across the GoM. And since this was before ship to shore communications were avail (just before) the ships that ran into it couldn't let anyone know till they got to port.

The second was one I just read about in the last few weeks they actually called it THE 1943 "SURPRISE" HURRICANE

t was in the dead of summer along the upper Texas coast. The nation was rightfully preoccupied with the events of the Second World War. All news underwent censorship. Because of German U-boat activity expected in the Gulf of Mexico, all ship's radio broadcasts were silenced. This included any reports of weather ... even adverse weather such as a hurricane. Weather Bureau forecasters in 1943 relied almost exclusively on reports from ships at sea and land-based weather offices in cities and airports for the data used to issue storm warnings. Satellite imagery was 20 years away .. radar over a decade. Aircraft reconnaissance was soon to be born ... but not yet.

With those constraints in mind, one can see why the hurricane that hit the Houston-Galveston area on July 27, 1943 came without adequate warning. Newspaper accounts of the storm describe it as the "worst since 1915." The 1915 hurricane tested the famous Galveston seawall and killed over 275 people. The July 27, 1943 hurricane killed a reported 19 people, injured hundreds and caused significant property damage ($17,000,000, COE, 1972) through much of the metropolitan area.


http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/1943/index.html

'shana

edited to add- the 1943 hurricane was the first to have pilots fly into it to check it out. http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/almanac/arc2003/alm03jul.htm
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#56 Postby gilbert88 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:41 pm

What about this years' Adrian? It wasn't as bad as expected, considering it hit directly a country with almost no hurricane experience and a huge flood/mudslide potential...
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#57 Postby Brent » Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:55 pm

LILI

and for the U.S. Isidore... that was supposed to be an almost Cat 5 moving slowly over the Gulf.

Slightly wrong.
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#58 Postby Brent » Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:56 pm

HurricaneBill wrote:Hurricane Mitch 1998 (Even though Mitch weakened greatly before landfall, I don't anybody was expecting Mitch to be the deadliest hurricane in over 200 years.)


The wind didn't kill them... the extreme and insane rain amounts did.
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#59 Postby Anonymous » Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:59 pm

I'd say Debby in 2000, Chantal in 2001. Both had major potential, but failed.
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#60 Postby Brent » Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:59 pm

Oh how I could forget Debby... the 2000 season was the first year I had internet access, and what a boring year it was. I had tracking maps and just maps of Florida in general stacked up all over the place and tapes ready for the coverage and then poof, nada, zlitch, zero. That was by far the biggest disappointment I've ever seen...
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