Dyn-o-mat's back again --will seed a TS in '05

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#41 Postby dhweather » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:07 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:These people would increase there chances if they used a 1,000 nuclear bombs. The shock wave that comes out of it might mess up the cirulation. Thats only if we made them into on big honken bomb. The blast wave would act like shear. That is just a theory. Tell me where I'm wrong pro's of storm2k?

This theory is up in the air.


The storm would certainly be disrupted to a degree - but all I
think we'd end up with as massive amounts of radioactive rain,
maybe still in a hurricane as well.
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#42 Postby OtherHD » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:09 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:These people would increase there chances if they used a 1,000 nuclear bombs. The shock wave that comes out of it might mess up the cirulation. Thats only if we made them into on big honken bomb. The blast wave would act like shear. That is just a theory. Tell me where I'm wrong pro's of storm2k?

This theory is up in the air.


And then we can zap all of the radiation with a special gun. Nice idea!
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#43 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:11 pm

They Evaporate the rain/water which the moisture releases laten heat. The hurricane bombs in two seconds later has gained every bit of its moisture.

Or we use all the nukes on a hurricane in mess up its cirulation a little.

One would bomb the storm the other would kill every human on earth.
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#44 Postby Brent » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:11 pm

OtherHD wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:These people would increase there chances if they used a 1,000 nuclear bombs. The shock wave that comes out of it might mess up the cirulation. Thats only if we made them into on big honken bomb. The blast wave would act like shear. That is just a theory. Tell me where I'm wrong pro's of storm2k?

This theory is up in the air.


And then we can zap all of the radiation with a special gun. Nice idea!


:roflmao:

Here's a solution: If your sick of hurricanes... MOVE.
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#45 Postby Andrew92 » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:11 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:One would bomb the storm the other would kill every human on earth.


Or in short, it's a bad idea. :wink:
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#46 Postby cyclonaut » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:17 pm

& yet another reason to cheer for good ole mama nature>>How could I have forgotten abot Dyno - Crap! :roll: :x :grrr:
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#47 Postby Windspeed » Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:25 am

A few thoughts:

1) I agree that Peter Cordani needs to get with some professional meteorologists and let them discuss the principles of heat transfer, water vapor, supercooled water and the Bergeron process. Whether soaking up aged raindrops does or does not affect a cummulonimbus cloud, it is not going to stop collision, coalescence, and nucleation from occuring in the airmass. In fact, removing the large droplets could actually rapidly intensify coalescence in a saturated airmass of a hurricane, especially in higher altitudes where it contains supercooled water. His dyno-mat product is not going to remove the particulate matter that is allowing the vapor to condense into condensation nuclei in the first place. He needs to understand that the levels of water vapor and relative humidity of the air around these condensation nuclei are what is going to continue to drive the thunderstorm development. In other words, I cannot see how soaking up raindrops will do anything more than have a short-lived affect on the cummulonimbus thunderstorm cloud that is being dumped with hundreds of thousands of pounds of this stuff. But even in that, where is this guy's research data? Why is it not published or openly made available for review? God forbid if he was doing this in the name of an academic institution. Oh, wait, he is a PRIVATELY OWNED company and this is a BUSINESS VENTURE! Has this guy got anyone from the academic or scientific community to look into his research other than the folks he has working for him? I for one am still not convinced of his claim that this product alone was the direct cause of his test thunderstorm dying out.

2) Okay, let us imagine for a moment that this product actually was capable of stopping or even slowing down the processes in volved with cumulonimbus development in a tropical cyclone. This guy is going to be testing on a tropical storm this season, correct? Even if it suppresses the storm's development, there is not enough Dyno-jel in the world to repeatedly continue attacking a surface low in a favorable atmospheric environment for intensification. The TC will eventually win the battle because even if they are slowing down thunderstorm development, they cannot suppress it forever. The storm is going to continue intensifying, even if it at a slower pace.

3) Just like in #2, let us assume this product works or somewhat works, and does positively suppress or hinder the development of a TC. Let us not forget he is flying 747s into WEAK cyclone! I cannot stress WEAK enough. How in the hell is this guy going to fly 747s or ANY convoy of large airliners into a Catagory 3, 4 or 5 hurricane? Even if there was successful 5% to 15% reduction in the intensity of a Catagory 4 hurricane, there is no way to get the hypthosized amount of product required into a storm of such intensity because there is no way to get large planes near an eyewall that would be needed to carry 200,000 lb, multiple payloads. And if he thinks he is going to get a sane airline pilot to fly a 747 into a Major Hurricane, he better have one hell of an insurance company, because even if he survives, his company will not.

And well, that is all...
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#48 Postby tallywx » Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:42 am

According to his website, this is what his technique made disappear:

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THAT! As if he could prove that...uh...that didn't just go poof on its own.

And he's going to try to jump from THAT to a hurricane? Good luck, buddy.
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#49 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:42 am

Thank you for the great discussion Windspeed. I agree 100 percent.
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#50 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:47 am

That little thing is what you call a sea breeze thuderstorm they pop up then die. This doe's not prove a thing.
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#51 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:04 am

I was just reading the Noaa report.

Even if this stuff some how worked. It would take 377 747 planes droping this stuff into the storm every hour. In that is just to slow it down a little. This guy has as much support as greatone doe's when he makes a forecast.


In one more thing even if he did do it. How is he going to stop the moisture from Evaporating? In which case will likely as derek ortt said will make the system bomb. Maybe if its a weak disturbance then it would take maybe 50 planes with 100,000 poundsx50 that is alot of dyno. In which case every hour. In how is a little man like this going to even do 1 percent of it?

In he is going to try this at even the smallest scale. This guy must be greatones brother.
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#52 Postby Steve » Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:50 am

I wish they would dy.

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#53 Postby TampaFl » Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:41 am

I hope he has good insurance, because if he does do a tropical storm or hurricane this year and it affects any kind of land mass, and it does tremendous damage due to wind or flooding rains - someone and a whole bunch of attorneys will be licking their chops and file lawsuits :eek: :eek: :eek:. Its is bound to happen.

Robert 8-)
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#54 Postby CentralFlGal » Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:29 am

dhweather wrote:Green slime?

What's next, Nickelodeon's live sotmr coverage??


:lol:

"This just in, Nickelodeon executives have taken Mr. Cordani's ideas under consideration, and, in light of the profit increase of green slime thanks to Dyn-O-Gel, they have elected to cooperate in the effort and will send Spongebob Squarepants into the center of the next storm to soak it all up.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program, "The Fresh Prince of Bel Air."

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#55 Postby Brent » Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:30 am

:roflmao: :fools:
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#56 Postby dhweather » Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:40 am

Now that is too funny!
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#57 Postby HurryKane » Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:13 pm

I nominate CentralFlGal's post for post of the season.

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#58 Postby vbhoutex » Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:43 pm

HurryKane wrote:I nominate CentralFlGal's post for post of the season.

:layout:


Definitely an absolute CLASSIC!!!!
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#59 Postby TampaFl » Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:15 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#60 Postby Anonymous » Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:36 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Maybe if its a weak disturbance then it would take maybe 50 planes with 100,000 poundsx50 that is alot of dyno. In which case every hour. In how is a little man like this going to even do 1 percent of it?


And if it was a weak disturbance he did, who is to say whether it would have not developed anyway. So it still wouldnt prove anything but I bet he would have claimed he done it-just like the thunderstorm and of course, thunderstorms form, thunderstorms collapse everyday without dynocrap :roll:
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