Adrian re-classified???

[AussieMark]

matt is clueless regarding this matter

the definition of a landfall intensity is the intensity when the center crosses the coast. For example, Hurricane Keith brought sustained category 3 winds to Belize in 2000, yet it made landfall in Belize as a tropical storm.

So, it likely affected land as a very strong tropical storm, as evidenced by some of the wind gusts (which also may have been at elevation), yet it made an official landfall, in a small bay, as a tropical depression

On the preliminary report it has Keith as a landfall as a category 1 hurricane

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/2000keith.html#TABLE1

the 2nd landfall on Belize was a tropical storm but the first was a 75 mph hurricane

[senorpepr]

matt is clueless regarding this matter

the definition of a landfall intensity is the intensity when the center crosses the coast. For example, Hurricane Keith brought sustained category 3 winds to Belize in 2000, yet it made landfall in Belize as a tropical storm.

So, it likely affected land as a very strong tropical storm, as evidenced by some of the wind gusts (which also may have been at elevation), yet it made an official landfall, in a small bay, as a tropical depression

On the preliminary report it has Keith as a landfall as a category 1 hurricane

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/2000keith.html#TABLE1

the 2nd landfall on Belize was a tropical storm but the first was a 75 mph hurricane

I really think what we're splitting hairs here over is the fact that there was a landfalling hurricane for the offshort islands of Belize, but the mainland, although struck with category three winds, was hit by a landfalling tropical storm.

[mobilebay]

If I remember correctly there was people walking around in the middle of the bay while Kieth was making landfall. The circulation had sucked the water out of the bay. I remember they put something in the Public advisory about it. I'm almost positive it was Kieth.

[senorpepr]

ZCZC MIATCPAT5 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
BULLETIN
HURRICANE KEITH INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 14A
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
11 PM CDT SUN OCT 01 2000

...KEITH REMAINS NEARLY STATIONARY...CONTINUES TO POUND BELIZE AND
THE YUCATAN...DEADLY STORM SURGE POSSIBLE IN THE BAY OF CHETUMAL...

A HURRICANE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE EAST COAST OF THE
YUCATAN PENINSULA AND BELIZE FROM CABO CATOCHE SOUTHWARD TO MONKEY
RIVER TOWN.

A HURRICANE WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE NORTH COAST OF THE
YUCATAN PENINSULA FROM WEST OF CABO CATOCHE TO PROGRESO.

ALL INTERESTS IN THE NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN AND SOUTHERN GULF OF
MEXICO SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM.

AT 11 PM CDT...0400Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE KEITH WAS LOCATED
NEAR LATITUDE 17.9 NORTH...LONGITUDE 87.9 WEST OR ABOUT 50 MILES
...80 KM...SOUTH-SOUTHEAST OF CHETUMAL MEXICO...AND ABOUT 40 MILES
...60 KM NORTHEAST OF BELIZE CITY.

KEITH HAS MOVED VERY LITTLE DURING THE PAST SEVERAL HOURS. A SLOW
MOTION TOWARD THE NORTHWEST IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN WITHIN THE NEXT 24
HOURS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE ESTIMATED NEAR 115 MPH...185 KM/HR...
WITH HIGHER GUSTS. FURTHER WEAKENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT
24 HOURS.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 30 MILES... 48 KM...
FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 105 MILES...165 KM.

THE LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE REPORTED BY RECONNAISSANCE
AIRCRAFT WAS 958 MB...28.30 INCHES.

STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 9 TO 12 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS...
ALONG WITH LARGE BATTERING WAVES...HAVE LIKELY BEEN OCCURRING OVER
PORTIONS OF THE WARNING AREA NEAR AND NORTH OF THE CENTER OF THE
HURRICANE.

NOTE...IN ADDITION TO THE STORM SURGE FLOODING...RECENT REPORTS
INDICATE THAT STRONG NORTHERLY WINDS HAVE EMPTIED THE BAY OF
CHETUMAL AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WALKING ACROSS THE BAY IN THE EYE OF
HURRICANE KEITH. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS SITUATION BECAUSE
THE BAY WATER CAN RAPIDLY RETURN AND FLOOD THE ENTIRE BAY AND
SURROUNDING AREAS IN VERY SHORT NOTICE. ALL INTERESTS IN AND AROUND
THE BAY OF CHETUMAL SHOULD REMAIN INSIDE AND AWAY FROM THE COASTAL
AREAS AT ALL TIMES. THIS IS A POTENTIALLY DEADLY SITUATION SO TAKE
PRECAUTIONARY ACTION NOW TO SAVE YOUR LIFE...SEEK HIGHER GROUND NOW.

HEAVY RAINS ARE CURRENTLY AFFECTING PORTIONS OF THE YUCATAN
PENINSULA...EASTERN MEXICO...BELIZE AND HONDURAS. THESE RAINS COULD
PRODUCE LIFE-THREATENING FLASH FLOODS AND MUD SLIDES. DUE TO THE
SLOW MOTION OF THE HURRICANE...ADDITIONAL DEVASTATING RAINFALL
ACCUMULATIONS ALONG THE PATH OF KEITH COULD EASILY EXCEED 15 TO 2O
INCHES.

REPEATING THE 10 PM CDT POSITION...17.9 N... 87.9 W. MOVEMENT
NEARLY STATIONARY. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...115 MPH. MINIMUM
CENTRAL PRESSURE... 958 MB.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...PLEASE MONITOR
PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.

THE NEXT INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL
HURRICANE CENTER AT 1 AM CDT WITH THE NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY AT
4 AM CDT...MONDAY.

FORECASTER STEWART

NNNN

[mobilebay]

ZCZC MIATCPAT5 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
BULLETIN
HURRICANE KEITH INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 14A
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
11 PM CDT SUN OCT 01 2000

...KEITH REMAINS NEARLY STATIONARY...CONTINUES TO POUND BELIZE AND
THE YUCATAN...DEADLY STORM SURGE POSSIBLE IN THE BAY OF CHETUMAL...

A HURRICANE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE EAST COAST OF THE
YUCATAN PENINSULA AND BELIZE FROM CABO CATOCHE SOUTHWARD TO MONKEY
RIVER TOWN.

A HURRICANE WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE NORTH COAST OF THE
YUCATAN PENINSULA FROM WEST OF CABO CATOCHE TO PROGRESO.

ALL INTERESTS IN THE NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN AND SOUTHERN GULF OF
MEXICO SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM.

AT 11 PM CDT...0400Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE KEITH WAS LOCATED
NEAR LATITUDE 17.9 NORTH...LONGITUDE 87.9 WEST OR ABOUT 50 MILES
...80 KM...SOUTH-SOUTHEAST OF CHETUMAL MEXICO...AND ABOUT 40 MILES
...60 KM NORTHEAST OF BELIZE CITY.

KEITH HAS MOVED VERY LITTLE DURING THE PAST SEVERAL HOURS. A SLOW
MOTION TOWARD THE NORTHWEST IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN WITHIN THE NEXT 24
HOURS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE ESTIMATED NEAR 115 MPH...185 KM/HR...
WITH HIGHER GUSTS. FURTHER WEAKENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT
24 HOURS.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 30 MILES... 48 KM...
FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 105 MILES...165 KM.

THE LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE REPORTED BY RECONNAISSANCE
AIRCRAFT WAS 958 MB...28.30 INCHES.

STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 9 TO 12 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS...
ALONG WITH LARGE BATTERING WAVES...HAVE LIKELY BEEN OCCURRING OVER
PORTIONS OF THE WARNING AREA NEAR AND NORTH OF THE CENTER OF THE
HURRICANE.

NOTE...IN ADDITION TO THE STORM SURGE FLOODING...RECENT REPORTS
INDICATE THAT STRONG NORTHERLY WINDS HAVE EMPTIED THE BAY OF
CHETUMAL AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WALKING ACROSS THE BAY IN THE EYE OF
HURRICANE KEITH. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS SITUATION BECAUSE
THE BAY WATER CAN RAPIDLY RETURN AND FLOOD THE ENTIRE BAY AND
SURROUNDING AREAS IN VERY SHORT NOTICE. ALL INTERESTS IN AND AROUND
THE BAY OF CHETUMAL SHOULD REMAIN INSIDE AND AWAY FROM THE COASTAL
AREAS AT ALL TIMES. THIS IS A POTENTIALLY DEADLY SITUATION SO TAKE
PRECAUTIONARY ACTION NOW TO SAVE YOUR LIFE...SEEK HIGHER GROUND NOW.

HEAVY RAINS ARE CURRENTLY AFFECTING PORTIONS OF THE YUCATAN
PENINSULA...EASTERN MEXICO...BELIZE AND HONDURAS. THESE RAINS COULD
PRODUCE LIFE-THREATENING FLASH FLOODS AND MUD SLIDES. DUE TO THE
SLOW MOTION OF THE HURRICANE...ADDITIONAL DEVASTATING RAINFALL
ACCUMULATIONS ALONG THE PATH OF KEITH COULD EASILY EXCEED 15 TO 2O
INCHES.

REPEATING THE 10 PM CDT POSITION...17.9 N... 87.9 W. MOVEMENT
NEARLY STATIONARY. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...115 MPH. MINIMUM
CENTRAL PRESSURE... 958 MB.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...PLEASE MONITOR
PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.

THE NEXT INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL
HURRICANE CENTER AT 1 AM CDT WITH THE NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY AT
4 AM CDT...MONDAY.

FORECASTER STEWART

NNNN

thanks. I was trying so hard to find that. It was driving me crazy.

[senorpepr]

It was taking me a while too. I remember that specific advisory as well. I was in forecasting school and when I came to class that day (we weren't allowed internet access at that time so I read the advisories on a huge bulletin board along with all the synoptic charts that were printed out) and read the advisory. We had a large discussion in class about it -- that helped to delay a test we were going to take.

[mobilebay]

I remember that advisory! I was just reading along as usual and then I saw that and my mouth dropped a mile.