2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2501 Postby Landy » Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:25 pm

blp wrote:Looks like CMC is back on board with development further west inline with Icon.

Back on board and with its strongest run yet by far.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2502 Postby Landy » Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:30 pm

00z CMC now joins GFS with showing a hurricane in the Caribbean next week. As for location, quite a ways west of GFS.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2503 Postby LarryWx » Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:36 am

Landy wrote:00z CMC now joins GFS with showing a hurricane in the Caribbean next week. As for location, quite a ways west of GFS.


The CMC is a much more believable scenario with TCG in the C Car rather than E Car.
Did the 0Z GFS run?
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2504 Postby somethingfunny » Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:46 am

LarryWx wrote:
Landy wrote:00z CMC now joins GFS with showing a hurricane in the Caribbean next week. As for location, quite a ways west of GFS.


The CMC is a much more believable scenario with TCG in the C Car rather than E Car.
Did the 0Z GFS run?


For some reason it hasn't loaded into Tropical Tidbits but Pivotal Weather has the 0z GFS. It hasn't dropped the storm, still showing a major in the Caribbean. This time it makes it into the western Caribbean before turning northeast
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2505 Postby LarryWx » Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:30 am

Back in mid May, there were something like 25 GFS runs in a row with W Caribbean TCG that lead to modeled H landfalls  in many cases while other models were mainly quiet. Then about a week after the first run with it, the GFS dropped it and never was heard from about this timeframe again. I think that's likely what's happening now with its E Car TCG. I suspect it will at some point throw in the towel on E Car TCG. Perhaps then it will change to a much more reasonable C or W Car TCG.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2506 Postby blp » Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:13 am

FWIW add NAVGEM to the list. Develops it in the E. Carribean and takes it over Hispaniola.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2507 Postby cycloneye » Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:39 am

Never and that is never in history, a TC has made landfall from the west in Puerto Rico. GFS has that. :roll:
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2508 Postby kevin » Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:03 am

06z GFS is very extreme with a 919 mb cat 4/5 in early November. The timeframe is also pretty close now with some rough attempts at cyclogenesis around +66 and a well defined system by +120 hours.

Edit = this is the 18z run from yesterday, looks like TT doesn't have any new GFS runs after that one.

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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2509 Postby Category5Kaiju » Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:17 am

kevin wrote:06z GFS is very extreme with a 919 mb cat 4/5 in early November. The timeframe is also pretty close now with some rough attempts at cyclogenesis around +66 and a well defined system by +120 hours.

https://imgur.com/cZhenB3


Wait a min, isn’t that the 18z run from yesterday? Did GFS not update?
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2510 Postby Blown Away » Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:19 am

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06z GFS... Still showing a system in the @4 day range and then a MH now recurving sharply through NE Caribbean... GFS seems to be keeping genesis in the 4 day range in the past few runs...
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2511 Postby Blown Away » Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:26 am

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00z CMC... Supports big hurricane in Caribbean... It appears if a hurricane does develop it will get pushed WNW in the Caribbean to 75-80 W, unless quick development like 06z GFS shows then a sharp recurve.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2512 Postby Blown Away » Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:31 am

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00z ICON on board with development in the @4 day range, weaker but development.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2513 Postby kevin » Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:35 am

Category5Kaiju wrote:
kevin wrote:06z GFS is very extreme with a 919 mb cat 4/5 in early November. The timeframe is also pretty close now with some rough attempts at cyclogenesis around +66 and a well defined system by +120 hours.

https://imgur.com/cZhenB3


Wait a min, isn’t that the 18z run from yesterday? Did GFS not update?


Oh yes you're right, I'll update my post. GFS hasn't updated on TT since the last 18z run.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2514 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:46 am

kevin wrote:
Category5Kaiju wrote:
kevin wrote:06z GFS is very extreme with a 919 mb cat 4/5 in early November. The timeframe is also pretty close now with some rough attempts at cyclogenesis around +66 and a well defined system by +120 hours.

https://imgur.com/cZhenB3


Wait a min, isn’t that the 18z run from yesterday? Did GFS not update?


Oh yes you're right, I'll update my post. GFS hasn't updated on TT since the last 18z run.


It has on Pivotal Weather, College of DuPage, and WeatherNerds.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2515 Postby wxman57 » Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:53 am

Canadian and NOGAPS are terrible tropical models. GFS is bad at developing spurious cyclones beyond 3-5 days. Euro shows nothing. ICON has a weak low in the SW Caribbean Nov. 1. Much more believable.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2516 Postby cycloneye » Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:00 am

There is a thread for the Eastern Caribbean area that NHC is highlighting and the posting of the model runs will be in that thread.

https://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopi ... 5#p3005995
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2517 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:13 pm

The server for the GFS on TT has been restored and is starting to backfill, this will take a couple of hours to do so.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2518 Postby chaser1 » Tue Oct 25, 2022 9:59 pm

How do ya explain the latest GFS run??
Movie Trailer: A NWS flunky, with some grudge against Purto Rico, acid tripping during his triple-shift at work who goes on to feed bad data into the upcoming forecast model run.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2519 Postby canebeard » Thu Oct 27, 2022 2:19 am

The far far out times of the new 00z GFS run create a situation similar to the Perfect Storm of 1991. Late season October hurricane being absorbed into a large devolping N. Atlantic storm. The movie was very good, for suspence and very realistic ocean madness; but the meteorologial explanations about what was occurring was flawed. I believe it said the hurricane, Grace, was a cat 5 and was the main energy of the expanded storm. George Clooney, acting captain of the swordfishing boat, Andrea Gail, returned to make more movies. The Andrea Gail did not return to port.
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Re: 2022 Global Model Runs Discussion (Out thru day 16)

#2520 Postby Iceresistance » Thu Oct 27, 2022 8:27 am

canebeard wrote:The far far out times of the new 00z GFS run create a situation similar to the Perfect Storm of 1991. Late season October hurricane being absorbed into a large devolping N. Atlantic storm. The movie was very good, for suspence and very realistic ocean madness; but the meteorologial explanations about what was occurring was flawed. I believe it said the hurricane, Grace, was a cat 5 and was the main energy of the expanded storm. George Clooney, acting captain of the swordfishing boat, Andrea Gail, returned to make more movies. The Andrea Gail did not return to port.

Can someone post the gif for this?
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