What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#21 Postby Hurricane2022 » Sat Oct 05, 2024 11:06 am

al78 wrote:Highest August and/or September ACE index.

Highest October - December ACE index
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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#22 Postby Teban54 » Sat Oct 05, 2024 11:41 am

According to toad strangler's comment here:
  • The record for the number of hurricane landfalls on the Gulf Coast was 6, in 1886.
  • Three seasons had 5 Gulf Coast H landfalls: 1909, 2005, 2020.
  • One season had 4 Gulf Coast H landfalls: 1985.
Assuming TD14/Milton makes landfall as a hurricane, which looks like a certainty at this point, 2024 will also have 5 Gulf Coast hurricane landfalls.


Edit: Related to the above, but for CONUS landfalls as a whole.

 https://x.com/SteveBowenWx/status/1842636020333813918

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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#23 Postby HurricaneRyan » Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:55 pm

Teban54 wrote:A common one that I'm sure others are thinking of: the 6th sub-900 mb Atlantic hurricane, which would be the first in 19 years since Wilma.


And Milton did it!
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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#24 Postby Beef Stew » Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:23 pm

Congrats to all those who called the sub-900 mb storm drought ending this year. Milton at 897 mb- truly incredible.
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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#25 Postby kevin » Tue Oct 08, 2024 3:34 am

Unfortunately I'm starting to think the record for the 'costliest tropical cyclone' in the Atlantic basin might also be broken in a few days. Tracking hurricanes and watching pressure records fall can be exciting, but (while we can't change the outcome of what Milton will do) it is also important to keep in mind that lives, homes and everything else is at stake for millions of people. If this indeed makes landfall as a MH in TB we could be looking at the biggest hurricane disaster since Katrina. Stay safe everyone.
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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#26 Postby CycloneSakura » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:38 am

I hate to say this one, but this season may make a run for the most expensive Hurricane Season on record. Helene's full damage toll isn't out yet and this season's already Number 2. 2017 holds the title currently at $294 billion.
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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#27 Postby kevin » Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:30 am

The first Atlantic December hurricane since Epsilon in 2005. It's a very rare event, but with 2024 late season seems to be the new peak season so who knows.
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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#28 Postby kevin » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:41 am

Also, another one could be the most active late-season (October - December), depending on how you look at it.
A few of the most active late-seasons in the database:

2005 = 10/4/2
1950 = 9/5/2
1887 = 9/5/0
2020 = 7/6/5
2001 = 7/5/2
1961 = 6/2/1

2024 = 6/4/2

Edit: corrected 2024s 5/4/2 to 6/4/2 and 2020 to 7/6/5 from 7/6/3.
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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#29 Postby Teban54 » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:01 pm

kevin wrote:Also, another one could be the most active late-season (October - December), depending on how you look at it. If the new disturbance becomes a MH (not per se likely at this point), 2024 will become the only 3 MH late-season together with 2020.
A few of the most active late-seasons in the database:

2005 = 10/4/2
1950 = 9/5/2
1887 = 9/5/0
2020 = 7/6/3
2001 = 7/5/2
1961 = 6/2/1

2024 = 5/4/2

How exactly did you define late season in your list? If it's any TCs that existed after October 1st, 2020 should be 7/6/5 (Delta, Epsilon, Zeta, Eta, Iota are MHs), and 2024 should be 7/5/3 (Kirk, Milton, Rafael). Excluding TCs that formed before October 1st would make it 6/4/2 (no Kirk but still has Leslie).

Regardless, if we start counting from September 24th (Helene, when 2024's "peak" really started), 2024 has an impressive 10/7/4 after the date, on par with (if not more than) 2020's 7/6/5 after September 24. According to Phil Klotzbach, 2024 has set or tied the following records:
If we extend the time frames to the end of the season, even without another storm forming in 2024 (which appears unlikely):
  • TS: 2005 will overtake with 11 TS; 1950 will tie with 10 TS
  • H: 2024 is guaranteed to hold the record for the most H since 9/25
  • MH: 2020 will overtake with 5 MH
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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#30 Postby kevin » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:03 pm

Teban54 wrote:
kevin wrote:Also, another one could be the most active late-season (October - December), depending on how you look at it. If the new disturbance becomes a MH (not per se likely at this point), 2024 will become the only 3 MH late-season together with 2020.
A few of the most active late-seasons in the database:

2005 = 10/4/2
1950 = 9/5/2
1887 = 9/5/0
2020 = 7/6/3
2001 = 7/5/2
1961 = 6/2/1

2024 = 5/4/2

How exactly did you define late season in your list? If it's any TCs that existed after October 1st, 2020 should be 7/6/5 (Delta, Epsilon, Zeta, Eta, Iota are MHs), and 2024 should be 7/5/3 (Kirk, Milton, Rafael). Excluding TCs that formed before October 1st would make it 6/4/2 (no Kirk but still has Leslie).

Regardless, if we start counting from September 24th (Helene, when 2024's "peak" really started), 2024 has an impressive 10/7/4 after the date, on par with (if not more than) 2020's 7/6/5 after September 24. According to Phil Klotzbach, 2024 has set or tied the following records:


I defined it as any storm forming after October 1, which is indeed a relatively arbitrary decision. I did make a typo, thanks for the correction. 2024 should have 6/4/2.
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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#31 Postby Teban54 » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:15 pm

kevin wrote:
Teban54 wrote:
kevin wrote:Also, another one could be the most active late-season (October - December), depending on how you look at it. If the new disturbance becomes a MH (not per se likely at this point), 2024 will become the only 3 MH late-season together with 2020.
A few of the most active late-seasons in the database:

2005 = 10/4/2
1950 = 9/5/2
1887 = 9/5/0
2020 = 7/6/3
2001 = 7/5/2
1961 = 6/2/1

2024 = 5/4/2

How exactly did you define late season in your list? If it's any TCs that existed after October 1st, 2020 should be 7/6/5 (Delta, Epsilon, Zeta, Eta, Iota are MHs), and 2024 should be 7/5/3 (Kirk, Milton, Rafael). Excluding TCs that formed before October 1st would make it 6/4/2 (no Kirk but still has Leslie).

Regardless, if we start counting from September 24th (Helene, when 2024's "peak" really started), 2024 has an impressive 10/7/4 after the date, on par with (if not more than) 2020's 7/6/5 after September 24. According to Phil Klotzbach, 2024 has set or tied the following records:


I defined it as any storm forming after October 1, which is indeed a relatively arbitrary decision. I did make a typo, thanks for the correction. 2024 should have 6/4/2.

Gotcha. Even then, 2020 definitely should have been 7/6/5 and not 7/6/3, as all the 5 late-season MHs formed in October and November.
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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#32 Postby kevin » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:16 pm

Teban54 wrote:
kevin wrote:
Teban54 wrote:How exactly did you define late season in your list? If it's any TCs that existed after October 1st, 2020 should be 7/6/5 (Delta, Epsilon, Zeta, Eta, Iota are MHs), and 2024 should be 7/5/3 (Kirk, Milton, Rafael). Excluding TCs that formed before October 1st would make it 6/4/2 (no Kirk but still has Leslie).

Regardless, if we start counting from September 24th (Helene, when 2024's "peak" really started), 2024 has an impressive 10/7/4 after the date, on par with (if not more than) 2020's 7/6/5 after September 24. According to Phil Klotzbach, 2024 has set or tied the following records:


I defined it as any storm forming after October 1, which is indeed a relatively arbitrary decision. I did make a typo, thanks for the correction. 2024 should have 6/4/2.

Gotcha. Even then, 2020 definitely should have been 7/6/5 and not 7/6/3, as all the 5 late-season MHs formed in October and November.


I guess I was just really distracted or something when writing that post. You're absolutely right, I corrected it now.
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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#33 Postby MarioProtVI » Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:41 am

If the latest 00z GFS/Euro runs are any indication, perhaps the latest Cat 5 in the Atlantic for real this time.
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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#34 Postby kevin » Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:39 am

If future-Sara landfalls in Florida as a hurricane:
*Most hurricane landfalls in Florida in one season (currently tied with 2005, 2004, 1964, 1871 with 3 hurricane landfalls)

If Sara landfalls in the US as a MH:
*Most MH landfalls in Florida in one season (currently tied with 2005, 2004, 1950 with 2 MH landfalls)
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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#35 Postby sasha_B » Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:12 pm

There's never been a November with more than three Atlantic storms named; 2024 will join 1931, 1961, 1966, 2001, 2005, and 2020 at 3, if the current Caribbean AoI (which the NHC gives an 80% chance of TCG as of 2024.11.12/12z) develops. While it might not be the most impressive record to break given how many seasons have come close, it doesn't seem at all implausible that we get two more TCs in the next 18 days and break the 6-way tie. In fact, there's non-negligible support on the latest GFS and GEFS runs for a (short-lived) subtropical system forming in the SW Atlantic (hundreds of miles offshore of the Carolinas) shortly after this Caribbean system, that might be nameable if the 12z deterministic GFS solution were to play out verbatim. Even if it doesn't, I'd say it's far from impossible that November 2024 gets there one way or another.
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Re: What Other Records or Droughts/Streaks will be Broken during the 2024 NATL Season?

#36 Postby Category5Kaiju » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:32 pm

I sincerely have a feeling that we’re going to see at least 4 storms get retired this year. Last this happened was 2017. It’s also a feat not many seasons accomplish.
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