Philip J. Klotzbach / Dr Gray October forecast=3/2/1

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Philip J. Klotzbach / Dr Gray October forecast=3/2/1

#1 Postby cycloneye » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:40 am

http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/Fo ... ct2008.pdf

They say that the MJO being favored to enhance activity in the first part of the month will be the main cause for the tropical action in this month.

Frank2,what is your take on this October forecast by the Colorado State University team?
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#2 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:42 am

Three named systems in October seems logical. Expect another non-tropical system to evolve into a named system.

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Re: Philip J. Klotzbach / Dr Gray October forecast=3/2/1

#3 Postby Sanibel » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:53 am

Big reliance on the MJO phase going positive over the next few weeks. Sounds like a set up for a big Mitch type storm in the Caribbean.

They practically say we have had a negative MJO capping of convection for the last weeks but the uncapping and positive phase with good SST's is coming in October.
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Re: Philip J. Klotzbach / Dr Gray October forecast=3/2/1

#4 Postby cycloneye » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:55 am

Here is why the Colorado team has those October numbers.MJO that will favor Tropical Activity is in the green lines.

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Re: Philip J. Klotzbach / Dr Gray October forecast=3/2/1

#5 Postby Sanibel » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:02 am

From Wikkipedia:

The Madden-Julian Oscillation (MJO) is an equatorial traveling pattern of anomalous rainfall that is planetary in scale. The mechanism and cause of the MJO is as yet not well-understood and is a subject of ongoing study.

The MJO is characterized by an eastward progression of large regions of both enhanced and suppressed tropical rainfall, observed mainly over the Indian Ocean and Pacific Ocean. The anomalous rainfall is usually first evident over the western Indian Ocean, and remains evident as it propagates over the very warm ocean waters of the western and central tropical Pacific. This pattern of tropical rainfall then generally becomes very nondescript as it moves over the cooler ocean waters of the eastern Pacific but reappears over the tropical Atlantic and Indian Ocean. The wet phase of enhanced convection and precipitation is followed by a dry phase where convection is suppressed. Each cycle lasts approximately 30-60 days.

The MJO is also known as the 30-60 day oscillation, 30-60 day wave, or intraseasonal oscillation.

Atmospheric patterns
There are distinct patterns of lower-level and upper-level atmospheric circulation anomalies which accompany the MJO-related pattern of tropical rainfall. These circulation features extend around the globe and are not confined to only the eastern hemisphere.

There is strong year-to-year (interannual) variability in MJO activity, with long periods of strong activity followed by periods in which the oscillation is weak or absent. This interannual variability of the MJO is partly linked to the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) cycle. In the Pacific, strong MJO activity is often observed 6 - 12 months prior to the onset of an El Niño episode, but is virtually absent during an El Niño episode, while MJO activity is typically greater during a La Niña episode. Globally, the interannual variability of the MJO is most determined by atmospheric internal dynamics.

The phase of the MJO is also extremely important for assessing whether conditions are conducive to tropical storm development over the tropical and subtropical North Pacific and North Atlantic ocean basins. For example, MJO-related descending motion over the tropical Atlantic is not favorable for tropical storm development, whereas MJO-related ascending motion over the North Atlantic is quite favorable for tropical storm development. The MJO is monitored routinely by both the USA National Hurricane Center and the USA Climate Prediction Center during the Atlantic hurricane (tropical cyclone) season to aid in anticipating periods of relative activity or inactivity.
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#6 Postby Frank2 » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:13 am

cycloneye,

It sounds like CSU depending on the MJO (in only the first part of the month, as they stated) is a big "if", if you ask me, since it takes far more than that to make a hurricane, even with above normal SST's and below normal SLP's, since both are almost never "just normal"...

It does seem like they realize that the season might end a bit early or "on time" this year, since they mention this favorable period to only be in the first part of the month...
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Re: Philip J. Klotzbach / Dr Gray October forecast=3/2/1

#7 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:23 am

JB has been expecting one last pulse in October based on the MJO.


I don't want to say a certain major US state is off the hook, even though it almost certainly is, but Louisiana to Florida, IMHO, need to keep a watch during October, remembering systems like Lili, Opal and Wilma.


A certain major US state now turns its eyes to the Pacific, where landfalling EPac systems can send remnant mid level circulations and moisture, which can sometimes interact with mid-latitude features to produce excessive rainfall.

I think we all remember the remnants of Pacific Hurricane Rosa in 1994, and how the San Jacinto river caught fire near Houston.
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#8 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:27 am

1994 was an El Niño year. This year is different.
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Re: Philip J. Klotzbach / Dr Gray October forecast=3/2/1

#9 Postby bvigal » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:43 am

Hmm, hadn't seen this, thanks for posting, Luis!
If +MJO is back, will know soon enough. Looks like we will have to wait and see what happens, certainly not out of the woods yet.
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Re: Philip J. Klotzbach / Dr Gray October forecast=3/2/1

#10 Postby El Nino » Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:21 am

3 more storms in october is quite possible. Surely if MJO is back. And one last in november.
What are the statistics over the last 20 years ?
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Re: Philip J. Klotzbach / Dr Gray October forecast=3/2/1

#11 Postby jinftl » Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:39 pm

Considering we had 2 systems get named last week....3 for the entire month of october doesn't seem unreasonable, esp if the MJO goes positive....we could get a few spin-ups in a pretty small stretch of time. Not saying they will all be landfalling 'canes....but 3 formations in the basin seems plausible.

Here is the climatology view...looks like 2 or so storms after october 1 is the average in the prototype 10 storm season.

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El Nino wrote:3 more storms in october is quite possible. Surely if MJO is back. And one last in november.
What are the statistics over the last 20 years ?
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Re: Philip J. Klotzbach / Dr Gray October forecast=3/2/1

#12 Postby Frank2 » Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:12 pm

3 more storms in october is quite possible. Surely if MJO is back. And one last [one] in november.


With all due respect, let's hope that we don't have to deal with anything else this month or next, since we are the ones up here who have to deal with it, if it comes our way...
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Re: Philip J. Klotzbach / Dr Gray October forecast=3/2/1

#13 Postby jinftl » Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:51 pm

october fish or florida?


Frank2 wrote:
3 more storms in october is quite possible. Surely if MJO is back. And one last [one] in november.


With all due respect, let's hope that we don't have to deal with anything else this month or next, since we are the ones up here who have to deal with it, if it comes our way...
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