Downgrading/Reclass--Insult to New Orleans!!!!

[WindRunner]

This feels like that cyclone killer guy. Round and round we go, where we stop only the mods know.

I was just thinking that, except the statements are nowhere near as blatently stupid as his were.



This is actually turning out to be a pretty nice discussion, with both sides keeping it under control. Keep it up guys, it's pretty interesting.

[Derek Ortt]

I need to say one thing pertaining to another thread that some here have repeatedly stated, that is a glaring inaccuracy

SFMR is NOT an experimental tool. It is an OPERATIONAL product now and has been since 2003

[Jim Cantore]

3 arguements that will never end

Politics
Religion
and this one

[sunny]

3 arguements that will never end

Politics
Religion
and this one

and I wish this would WOULD end.

[CajunMama]

3 arguements that will never end

Politics
Religion
and this one

and I wish this would WOULD end.

me too!!!!!!!!

[Jim Cantore]

I'll put the bottom line

weather they make it a Depression or a cat 5

it wont change the devestation Katrina caused that will never completely heal this is not something that needs to be argued leave it to the NHC

sure its fun to speculate but to call it an insult it a joke

it wont change what happened

[MiamiensisWx]

I'll put the bottom line

weather they make it a Depression or a cat 5

it wont change the devestation Katrina caused that will never completely heal this is not something that needs to be argued leave it to the NHC

sure its fun to speculate but to call it an insult it a joke

it wont change what happened

I completely agree. This is quickly getting rather insulting to those in Florida who went through Wilma and are already acknowledging they received Category One (mostly) and Category Two (periodically) sustained winds, NOT Category Three sustained winds.

[Air Force Met]

On a related note...the Mayor of Houston is asking FEMA for Katrina related funding to help with law enforement efforts because of Katrina displacees from New Orleans who have now taken up residence in Houston. Crime has increased dramitically in some areas which have received those displaced by the storm. He especially mentioned money needed to patrol some apartment complexes that were being lived in by the Katrina victims.

Pretty sad actually. People in one city open up their hearts and arms to help and they get taken advantage of. Maybe we shouldn't have been so generous...but then we wouldn't have been Texans. I guess the irony is that I have a friend from NOLA and she says that many people from NOLA aren't complaining that they aren't coming back...but are glad that they are chosing to stay in Houston or wherever they are and that crime has gone down in NOLA.

[sunny]

On a related note...the Mayor of Houston is asking FEMA for Katrina related funding to help with law enforement efforts because of Katrina displacees from New Orleans who have now taken up residence in Houston. Crime has increased dramitically in some areas which have received those displaced by the storm. He especially mentioned money needed to patrol some apartment complexes that were being lived in by the Katrina victims.

Pretty sad actually. People in one city open up their hearts and arms to help and they get taken advantage of. Maybe we shouldn't have been so generous...but then we wouldn't have been Texans. I guess the irony is that I have a friend from NOLA and she says that many people from NOLA aren't complaining that they aren't coming back...but are glad that they are chosing to stay in Houston or wherever they are and that crime has gone down in NOLA.

It IS sad AFMet - and embarrassing as well. SO many people in SO many place have been nothing but wonderful to us.

I hope people don't think we are ALL ungrateful for what has been done to help us. The Katrina experience was a very humbling experience for me - I saw how everything I have and everything I have worked for could be taken away in one shot. As well as my ability to make a living.

[MiamiensisWx]

It IS sad AFMet - and embarrassing as well. SO many people in SO many place have been nothing but wonderful to us.

I hope people don't think we are ALL ungrateful for what has been done to help us. The Katrina experience was a very humbling experience for me - I saw how everything I have and everything I have worked for could be taken away in one shot. As well as my ability to make a living.

AMEN!

[Audrey2Katrina]

Okay, I'll put my post script on it, since one of the mods has related her desire for it all to end.

I did NOT come in this thread to insult, attack, or disparage anyone for their convictions regarding Katrina, or the Katrina report. As to considering the report an "insult" I agree with a much earlier post that such a claim is off the mark. When one tenders personification to an inanimate report one loses a lot of credibility. The report is most decidedly NOT an insult. It's just that I "respectfully" (stated so many times) disagree.

It seems that disagreement unleashed a lot of umbrage from those who steadfastly defend it. This was decidedly unintended. My comments were just that--my comments and opinions. As one who has been in the much revered science community for over 30 years I can well understand the shackles being raised by those demanding empirical data. Inability to provide it does not mean it isn't there--just ask the many in the scientific community who argued the existence of neutrinos before it became a proven fact.

Professional disagreement is not a bad thing unless some with axes to grind, or superiority complexes begin to change the dialogue to one of "who are you to challenge the experts," and subsequently interject a hubris that tends to escalate the dialogue beyond that for which it was intended. Well I say experts have been wrong in the past, and will continue to be wrong betimes in the future. This is NOT to detract from the hard work, and honest effort being made by the VAST majority of those involved in pursuing their vocations and avocations--or their complete sincerity and trust in their findings. I just would like to see the same quarter given those who do not take as gospel every utterance from the aforementioned experts.

That said, I will defer to our esteemed Mod who has suggested the topic "end." and bow out of this discussion, with the added codicil that while I in no way challenge the integrity or expertise of those professionals who put their faith in the findings reported, I maintain my right to disagree with them as well. Only time will tell, if ever, who is more accurate here, and I concede that the current data and science is on the side of those defending the report, I equally repeat that it wouldn't be the first time that the "available data" was off, even if by small measure, and it will not be the last.

Regarding the "refugees" in Texas, I agree with the above poster, it is a shame, and hope you do not judge all from this area by those who've descended on your gracious community. I was treated with exceptional charity when in "exile" and to this day we still communicate on a regular basis. We're not all the kinds of ingrates depicted, and it is indeed a disgrace. Personally, I hope Texas law deals with them more stridently than did the Louisiana law which tended to pander more than curtail. You indeed have MY thanks, and my sympathy.

In closing, it seems I've been compared to someone who's made "blatantly stupid" comments--albeit in a somewhat more positive light--I presume that to be a sideways compliment. And I honestly do hope that in expressing my opinions and experiences I've offended no one, as none was intended. Dialogue and debate are things I thoroughly enjoy, and I thought I found it here. This is truly a wonderful site, (kudos to the mods and the admin) and I will henceforth restrict my wanderings to other threads--albeit doubtless be less involved as one tends to be more verbose in things of greater interest. I'm sure this comes as wonderful news to some. And that said... I hopefully put my contributions in this thread to a respectful end.

PAX and a Happy New Year to all!

A2K

[Recurve]

The fewer threads with "insult" in the title, probably the better.

Happy New Year to all from the sunny Florida Keys. Only 63 F today. Brrrrr!

[MiamiensisWx]

The fewer threads with "insult" in the title, probably the better.

Happy New Year to all from the sunny Florida Keys. Only 63 F today. Brrrrr!

I agree. The word "insult" in this thread needs to be removed. I will remove it from mine.

[Agua]

I guess the irony is that I have a friend from NOLA and she says that many people from NOLA aren't complaining that they aren't coming back...but are glad that they are chosing to stay in Houston or wherever they are and that crime has gone down in NOLA.

I know. I've seen, more than once, New Orleaneans laughing at the plight of the cities these evacuees fled to. I've also heard it expressed that the criminal element will be more apt to "get what's 'a comin' to 'em" in other states than in NOLA.

[sunny]

I guess the irony is that I have a friend from NOLA and she says that many people from NOLA aren't complaining that they aren't coming back...but are glad that they are chosing to stay in Houston or wherever they are and that crime has gone down in NOLA.

I know. I've seen, more than once, New Orleaneans laughing at the plight of the cities these evacuees fled to. I've also heard it expressed that the criminal element will be more apt to "get what's 'a comin' to 'em" in other states than in NOLA.

I don't think that's a fair statement. We are most certainly NOT laughing at anything.

[cycloneye]

Ok folks this discussion about Katrina has been very long in many threads and in this one too.And here it's now crossing the line to not good discussions so it's now locked.