Gulf Stream Shutdown in 3-5 years?

[Guest]

agree whole heartedly.

[USAwx1]

Nikolai you are fighting a losing battle here. I don't disagre with you but, you have to many hard core weather people here that will never agree with you on that issue eventhough the signs are hitting them in the face. Hint Hint Charlie and other anamolies..

you are fightiong a losing battle here b/c the information in that article is 99% incorrect and the majority of us with the exception of you two don't seem to understand it.

[Anonymous]

This site looks like an alarmist/propaganda site.... Interesting but not likely (impossible?) Here are some other sites which feed off public's fears.

Fake terror threats here....
http://www.stevequayle.com/index1.html

All kinds of freightenning Ideas... The govt has sectret prisons and concentration camps for when they decide to turn the country to communism/fascism and will arrest us when we revolt
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/

Another we're enterring the Ice age site
http://iceagenow.com/

The govt uses chemtrails to control our brains
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel ... annelID=42

The airforce is gonna own the weather by 2025
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm

I could go on and on with sites that just play on peoples fears and this sounds like one of them to me.... encouages you to distrust the govt...

[USAwx1]

This site looks like an alarmist/propaganda site.... Interesting but not likely (impossible?) Here are some other sites which feed off public's fears.

Fake terror threats here....
http://www.stevequayle.com/index1.html

All kinds of freightenning Ideas... The govt has sectret prisons and concentration camps for when they decide to turn the country to communism/fascism and will arrest us when we revolt
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/

Another we're enterring the Ice age site
http://iceagenow.com/

The govt uses chemtrails to control our brains
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel ... annelID=42

The airforce is gonna own the weather by 2025
http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm

I could go on and on with sites that just play on peoples fears and this sounds like one of them to me.... encouages you to distrust the govt...

yep just a bunch of junk science.

[Guest]

I agree that the sites posted by jekhye are far out and weird. However, the gulf stream has shut down in the past, and eventually will slow if not stop again. Notice that it already is slowing down. Remember what people would of told you before 9/11? Oh yeah sure a plane is going to hit the twin towers. They wouldve put you in a mental hospital. But now, look whats happened. Shows you nothing is impossible. (and I wasnt comparing this to 9/11)

[Guest]

USA, I like reading your posts, but I have to disagree with you. You know the weather and that's it. Even if the hard core facts and evidence were in front of you, you would still say no way. Ice ages and weather changes are considered climate changes. Whether we agree on the actual term of climate change is not open for debate for me....

[Lindaloo]

USA, I like reading your posts, but I have to disagree with you. You know the weather and that's it. Even if the hard core facts and evidence were in front of you, you would still say no way. Ice ages and weather changes are considered climate changes. Whether we agree on the actual term of climate change is not open for debate for me....

Debate is why we are here. Let's hear some facts to back your thoughts up.

Lawyers and science do not mix. lol.

[Guest]

I know nothing about the law nor am I a lawyer LINDALOO, but I do read science books and books in general about these kinds of things because they interest me. Hnmm, you must love laughing at yourself because nothing you wrote was funny. Even if the facts were in front of you, you would still deny. End of story....

[Lindaloo]

I know nothing about the law nor am I a lawyer LINDALOO, but I do read science books and books in general about these kinds of things because they interest me. Hnmm, you must love laughing at yourself because nothing you wrote was funny. Even if the facts were in front of you, you would still deny. End of story....

End of story? Nope. Someone else capitalizes my name all the time. Can't remember who it is.

Anyway, professional mets go to college and get their degrees. I think that outweighs someone just reading a science book.

I never said YOU were a lawyer.

[USAwx1]

USA, I like reading your posts, but I have to disagree with you. You know the weather and that's it. Even if the hard core facts and evidence were in front of you, you would still say no way. Ice ages and weather changes are considered climate changes. Whether we agree on the actual term of climate change is not open for debate for me....

Debate is why we are here. Let's hear some facts to back your thoughts up.

Lawyers and science do not mix. lol.

neither do politicians...take AL Bore (I mean Gore) for example

[Lindaloo]

LOL USA!! You have a point. hehe

[Guest]

First time around, HUH! I spell most peoples names here with caps. It's a habit. stick to the weather a comic you are not. Everyone knows the weather because when they are wrong they can blame mother nature. LOL illegimate profession if you don't me mind me saying, but interesting nevertheless. Cliques, I thought that was high school stuff (cou LINDALOO gh)

[USAwx1]

First time around, HUH! I spell most peoples names here with caps. It's a habit. stick to the weather a comic you are not. Everyone knows the weather because when they are wrong they can blame mother nature. LOLillegimate profession if you don't me mind me saying, but interesting nevertheless. Cliques, I thought that was high school stuff (cou LINDALOO gh)

DONT go there unless you would like me to unload like last time.

[Guest]

USA no beef you because I don't know you. Also you never gave me that link that you told me you posted last night. Can I have you post it, so I can read it.

[USAwx1]

what thread?

[donsutherland1]

Nikolai,

My point is that extreme weather is not uncommon. Thus, record-breaking weather does not necessarily indicate that a huge change, much less one along the lines of a substantial climatic shift, is underway.

One needs to look for a lot of evidence that argues for such a situation. So far, I don't believe such a threshold of evidence exists.

Indeed, given the PDO, ENSO (overall and regional), and QBO, summer similar to 2004 with respect to these global indices have averaged roughly 1° cooler than the norm for all other summers. Such cool summers included 1954, 1958, 1960, 1978, 1985, 1986, 1989, and 2000.

Moreover, one must look beyond merely a single city.

Using the above noted years, on average, one has seen the following anomalies (June-August):

Cool:
Northeast
Great Lakes/Ohio Valley
North Central
Central Plains

Warm:
Southeast
South Central
West
Southwest
Pacific Northwest

Wet:
Northeast
Mid-Atlantic
Ohio Valley
Central Plains

Dry:
Southwest

June-July 2004 has seen the following anomalies:

Cool:
Northeast
Great Lakes/Ohio Valley
North Central
Central Plains
South Central

Warm:
West
Pacific Northwest
Parts of Southeast

Wet:
Northeast
Mid-Atlantic
Ohio Valley
Central Plains

Dry:
Gulf Coast (Any tropical activity in August could quickly change this)

All said, there's strong evidence that given the current global indices, Summer 2004 is not behaving in a greatly unexpected fashion.

[PurdueWx80]

There is some work being done here at Purdue regarding hurricanes, climate and the Gulf Stream. They haven't completed all of their study, but so far there is plenty of evidence that hurricanes actually help control the Gulf Stream by dragging heat (in both the ocean and atmosphere) to the poles as they recurve along/E of the Atlantic Seaboard. It's pretty interesting stuff, because all of the transfer of heat to the poles is very significant in that more extreme results of climate change should be expected at northern latitudes first. This is already happening (melting ice caps and glaciers). Speaking of melting glaciers, most of the world's glaciers are melting, many are dissappearing. On the other hand, a few have increased their size and snowpack tremendously. Changes in climate also inflict changes in precipitation patterns, hence, increase in precipitation in places, increase in temperature in other places, so on and so forth. The Earth's climate is extremely dynamic and difficult to understand, probably moreso than weather because it takes places at longer periods of time than we can observe. So far, I'm not saying we have anything to do with climate change, but keep reading.

Almost no one in the scientific community disputes global climate change, or even that the earth is warming now. Plenty of evidence also points to the fact that we have put tons of carbon dioxide emissions into the atmosphere in the past 100 years. Carbon dioxide is one of the largest controllers of the Earth's thermostat (w/ water vapor being the the major greenhouse gas). Increase carbon dioxide = increase in temperature, plain and simple. A lot of the energy industry (including Bush et al.) will have us believe that is isn't as big a deal, because their biggest interests are in selling oil and making money.

It's interesting that so many of NY's cool summers occurred a long time ago. The major contribution to that fact is that a giant complex of concrete has been built up around the city in that time. Concrete holds in heat (much like water) so that is one of the most likely causes of an increase in temperature in bigger cities. This year is a big exception, but you can't judge climate on one year or one extreme event (Andrew, Charley, 2003 European heat wave). The point many global climate change studies are making is that more extreme events are going to be more and more likely as there is more energy available for storm systems.

[Guest]

you know, i don't remember...

[USAwx1]

There is some work being done here at Purdue regarding hurricanes, climate and the Gulf Stream. They haven't completed all of their study, but so far there is plenty of evidence that hurricanes actually help control the Gulf Stream by dragging heat (in both the ocean and atmosphere) to the poles as they recurve along/E of the Atlantic Seaboard. It's pretty interesting stuff, because all of the transfer of heat to the poles is very significant in that more extreme results of climate change should be expected at northern latitudes first. This is already happening (melting ice caps and glaciers). Speaking of melting glaciers, most of the world's glaciers are melting, many are dissappearing. On the other hand, a few have increased their size and snowpack tremendously. Changes in climate also inflict changes in precipitation patterns, hence, increase in precipitation in places, increase in temperature in other places, so on and so forth. The Earth's climate is extremely dynamic and difficult to understand, probably moreso than weather because it takes places at longer periods of time than we can observe. So far, I'm not saying we have anything to do with climate change, but keep reading.

Almost no one in the scientific community disputes global climate change, or even that the earth is warming now. Plenty of evidence also points to the fact that we have put tons of carbon dioxide emissions into the atmosphere in the past 100 years. Carbon dioxide is one of the largest controllers of the Earth's thermostat (w/ water vapor being the the major greenhouse gas). Increase carbon dioxide = increase in temperature, plain and simple. A lot of the energy industry (including Bush et al.) will have us believe that is isn't as big a deal, because their biggest interests are in selling oil and making money.

It's interesting that so many of NY's cool summers occurred a long time ago. The major contribution to that fact is that a giant complex of concrete has been built up around the city in that time. Concrete holds in heat (much like water) so that is one of the most likely causes of an increase in temperature in bigger cities. This year is a big exception, but you can't judge climate on one year or one extreme event (Andrew, Charley, 2003 European heat wave). The point many global climate change studies are making is that more extreme events are going to be more and more likely as there is more energy available for storm systems.

the poleward transport of latent heat from the tropics through tropical cyclones is one of the main functions of the ATC strong cycle and why activity is enhanced during those periods.

[USAwx1]

you know, i don't remember...

Just click the link in my signature, i go into better detail about how this years ENSO condition will affect the tropical season.