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				More severe weather - July 19-20, Severe damage in St. Louis
				Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:49 pm
				by CrazyC83
				Slight risk with possible upgrade to moderate for tomorrow (currently 30-hatched) over parts of Minnesota and Wisconsin. Tornado threat significant as well as a derecho threat.
   ...NRN PLAINS/UPPER MS VALLEY INTO THE UPPER GREAT LAKES...
   THERMODYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT WILL BE INCREASINGLY FAVORABLE FOR
   STRONG/SEVERE CONVECTION AS LOW LEVEL MOISTURE RETURNS NWD BENEATH
   PRE-EXISTING PLUME OF STEEP MID LEVEL LAPSE RATES ASSOCIATED WITH
   THE ELEVATED MIXED LAYER FROM THE NRN PLAINS ACROSS THE UPPER MS
   VALLEY.  ELEVATED THUNDERSTORMS MAY BE OCCURRING IN THE MORNING
   ACROSS PARTS OF THE DAKOTAS WITH STRONGER STORMS CAPABLE OF
   PRODUCING ISOLATED HAIL AND STRONG WIND GUSTS. PRIMARY SEVERE
   THREAT IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP DURING THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING AS
   THE ELEVATED CONVECTION SPREADS EWD TOWARD THE FRONTAL ZONE WITH
   POTENTIAL TO BECOME ROOTED IN THE BOUNDARY LAYER...AND ADDITIONAL
   STORMS ARE LIKELY TO DEVELOP ALONG/JUST AHEAD OF THE FRONT AS LOW
   LEVEL CONVERGENCE AND STRONG HEATING LOCALLY WEAKENS THE CAP.
   
   ENVIRONMENT IS FORECAST TO BECOME VERY UNSTABLE NEAR THE FRONT AS
   SURFACE TEMPERATURES WARM INTO THE 90S AND DEW POINTS INCREASE INTO
   THE 70S...CONTRIBUTING TO MLCAPE OF 2500-4000 J/KG.  VERTICAL SHEAR
   IS ALSO EXPECTED TO STRENGTHEN AS FORECAST SOUNDINGS EXHIBIT WIND
   PROFILES THAT VEER AND INCREASE WITH HEIGHT...IN RESPONSE TO A 50-60
   KT MID LEVEL JET STREAK MOVING ACROSS ND INTO MN ON THE SOUTH SIDE
   OF THE SHORT WAVE TROUGH.  COMBINATION OF STRONG INSTABILITY AND
   MODERATE DEEP LAYER SHEAR INDICATES POTENTIAL FOR A FEW SUPERCELLS
   TO DEVELOP...PRIMARILY FROM ERN SD INTO CENTRAL/SRN MN DURING THE
   AFTERNOON SPREADING EWD INTO PARTS OF WI AT NIGHT.  STEEP LAPSE
   RATES/LARGE INSTABILITY AND A FAVORABLY SHEARED ENVIRONMENT SUGGEST
   STRONGER STORMS WILL BE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING VERY LARGE
   HAIL...DAMAGING WIND GUSTS...AND A FEW TORNADOES.  THE TORNADO
   THREAT WILL BE ENHANCED IF DISCRETE CELLS CAN BE MAINTAINED INTO THE
   EVENING HOURS. CONVECTION IS EXPECTED TO GROW UPSCALE INTO ONE OR
   MORE MCS/S DURING THE OVERNIGHT HOURS WITH SEVERE THREAT CONTINUING
   AFTER DARK TOWARD THE UPPER GREAT LAKES.  UNCERTAINTY IN CONVECTIVE
   MODE PRECLUDES INTRODUCTION OF A HIGHER RISK CATEGORY ATTM BUT
   REGION WILL BE MONITORED FOR POSSIBLE UPGRADE IN LATER OUTLOOKS.
I'm leaning to a similar setup as yesterday's system in northeastern Ontario. It could be severe!
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:08 am
				by CrazyC83
				SPC has indeed gone to a Moderate Risk for southern Minnesota and Wisconsin. 
I'll be south of the peak risk this time, but some of those areas in the maximum threat this time got considerable damage on Monday too...
Here we go again!
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:29 am
				by CrazyC83
				SEL6
   
   URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
   SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH NUMBER 616
   NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
   1000 AM CDT WED JUL 19 2006
   
   THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
   SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF 
   
          NORTHEAST IOWA
          SOUTHEAST MINNESOTA
          SOUTHWEST WISCONSIN
   
   EFFECTIVE THIS WEDNESDAY MORNING AND AFTERNOON FROM 1000 AM UNTIL
   300 PM CDT.
   
   HAIL TO 2 INCHES IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND GUSTS TO 70
   MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS.
   
   THE SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 60
   STATUTE MILES NORTH AND SOUTH OF A LINE FROM 30 MILES WEST
   NORTHWEST OF ROCHESTER MINNESOTA TO 25 MILES SOUTH OF CAMP
   DOUGLAS WISCONSIN.  FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE
   ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU6).
   
   REMEMBER...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE
   FAVORABLE FOR SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
   AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
   THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
   AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS. SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAN AND OCCASIONALLY
   DO PRODUCE TORNADOES.
   
   DISCUSSION...ELEVATED MCS OVER SRN MN MAY BE TRANSITION TO MORE
   SURFACE-BASED CONVECTION AS THE LOW LEVELS MOISTEN/DESTABILIZE
   ACROSS SE MN/SW WI. RECENT RADAR IMAGERY SUGGESTS THE DEVELOPMENT OF
   A BOW ECHO AND ACCELERATION OF THE CONVECTIVE LINE TO NEAR 50
   KT...THUS THE THREAT FOR DAMAGING WINDS SHOULD BE INCREASING ACROSS
   SE MN/SW WI AND PERHAPS NE IA THE NEXT FEW HOURS.
   
   AVIATION...A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL SURFACE AND ALOFT
   TO 2 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE WIND GUSTS TO 60
   KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO 500. MEAN STORM
   MOTION VECTOR 28045.
   
   
   ...THOMPSON
 
Note:  The parallelogram is only an approximation to the watch, the actual watch is defined by the outlines of the counties contained in it. 
   SEL6
   
   URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
   SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH NUMBER 616
   NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
   1000 AM CDT WED JUL 19 2006
   
   THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
   SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF 
   
          NORTHEAST IOWA
          SOUTHEAST MINNESOTA
          SOUTHWEST WISCONSIN
   
   EFFECTIVE THIS WEDNESDAY MORNING AND AFTERNOON FROM 1000 AM UNTIL
   300 PM CDT.
   
   HAIL TO 2 INCHES IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND GUSTS TO 70
   MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS.
   
   THE SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 60
   STATUTE MILES NORTH AND SOUTH OF A LINE FROM 30 MILES WEST
   NORTHWEST OF ROCHESTER MINNESOTA TO 25 MILES SOUTH OF CAMP
   DOUGLAS WISCONSIN.  FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE
   ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU6).
   
   REMEMBER...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE
   FAVORABLE FOR SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
   AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
   THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
   AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS. SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAN AND OCCASIONALLY
   DO PRODUCE TORNADOES.
   
   DISCUSSION...ELEVATED MCS OVER SRN MN MAY BE TRANSITION TO MORE
   SURFACE-BASED CONVECTION AS THE LOW LEVELS MOISTEN/DESTABILIZE
   ACROSS SE MN/SW WI. RECENT RADAR IMAGERY SUGGESTS THE DEVELOPMENT OF
   A BOW ECHO AND ACCELERATION OF THE CONVECTIVE LINE TO NEAR 50
   KT...THUS THE THREAT FOR DAMAGING WINDS SHOULD BE INCREASING ACROSS
   SE MN/SW WI AND PERHAPS NE IA THE NEXT FEW HOURS.
   
   AVIATION...A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL SURFACE AND ALOFT
   TO 2 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE WIND GUSTS TO 60
   KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO 500. MEAN STORM
   MOTION VECTOR 28045.
   
   
   ...THOMPSON
 
Note:  The parallelogram is only an approximation to the watch, the actual watch is defined by the outlines of the counties contained in it. 
Note: Click for Watch Status Reports.
   WOUS64 KWNS 191457
   WOU6
   
   BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
   SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE FOR WS 616
   NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
   1000 AM CDT WED JUL 19 2006
   
   SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH 616 IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 300 PM CDT
   FOR THE FOLLOWING LOCATIONS
   
   IAC005-037-043-065-067-089-131-191-192000-
   /O.NEW.KWNS.SV.A.0616.060719T1500Z-060719T2000Z/
   
   IA 
   .    IOWA COUNTIES INCLUDED ARE
   
   ALLAMAKEE            CHICKASAW           CLAYTON             
   FAYETTE              FLOYD               HOWARD              
   MITCHELL             WINNESHIEK          
   
   
   MNC039-045-047-049-055-099-109-147-157-169-192000-
   /O.NEW.KWNS.SV.A.0616.060719T1500Z-060719T2000Z/
   
   MN 
   .    MINNESOTA COUNTIES INCLUDED ARE
   
   DODGE                FILLMORE            FREEBORN            
   GOODHUE              HOUSTON             MOWER               
   OLMSTED              STEELE              WABASHA             
   WINONA               
   
   
   WIC001-011-023-043-053-057-063-081-091-093-103-121-123-192000-
   /O.NEW.KWNS.SV.A.0616.060719T1500Z-060719T2000Z/
   
   WI 
   .    WISCONSIN COUNTIES INCLUDED ARE
   
   ADAMS                BUFFALO             CRAWFORD            
   GRANT                JACKSON             JUNEAU              
   LA CROSSE            MONROE              PEPIN               
   PIERCE               RICHLAND            TREMPEALEAU         
   VERNON               
   
   
   ATTN...WFO...ARX...MPX...
   
   
   
 
Note: The Aviation Watch (SAW) product is an approximation to the watch area. The actual watch is defined by the list of counties (WOU).
   SAW6 
   WW 616 SEVERE TSTM IA MN WI 191500Z - 192000Z
   AXIS..60 STATUTE MILES NORTH AND SOUTH OF LINE..
   30WNW RST/ROCHESTER MN/ - 25S VOK/CAMP DOUGLAS WI/
   ..AVIATION COORDS.. 50NM N/S /48S MSP - 22W DLL/
   HAIL SURFACE AND ALOFT..2 INCHES. WIND GUSTS..60 KNOTS.
   MAX TOPS TO 500. MEAN STORM MOTION VECTOR 28045.
   
   LAT...LON 44959305 44439026 42709026 43229305
   
   THIS IS AN APPROXIMATION TO THE WATCH AREA.  FOR A
   COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE WOUS64 KWNS
   FOR WOU6.
   
Watch 616 Status Report Message has not been issued yet.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:21 am
				by WindRunner
				A little early in the day for WWs . . . guess this means things are going to get interesting . . .
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:41 am
				by CrazyC83
				I think so too. They extended the MDT eastward, and I wouldn't be shocked to see them go HIGH (upgrade the wind to 60-hatched) later...
Looks like they are trying to be harsher after two underestimations in a row (both of the last two days should have been a moderate risk IMO)...
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:02 pm
				by WindRunner
				Wow . . . 60? Haven't seen that in a while . . .
Right now sitting at a 45-hatched for wind and a 10 for the tornadoes - not too common for this time of year . . . amazing that there aren't any warnings out right now though. Looks like a decaying bow echo on radar from Quad Cities, and some sort of squall line forming up out of the middle of it, kind of like some sort of feederband or something. It should have a watch up sometime soon, like the MD says.
Very intense lightning with these storms, however. I almost can't see the radar through the lightning . . .
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:55 pm
				by CrazyC83
				Right now, the CAPE values are incredibly high in some areas.
The only thing preventing a monster outbreak, a la April 2, is the cap which is holding up.
I wouldn't be surprised to see PDS watches come up soon...in addition to the possible High Risk.
From easternuswx: Amazing svr parameters over Iowa in vicinity of Des Moines at 19z.
MU CAPE 8000, Craven sig svr. 140, Supercell 48, Sig Hail 6 , LI -14, Tor 3, EHI 11
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:13 pm
				by wxmann_91
				CrazyC83 wrote:Right now, the CAPE values are incredibly high in some areas.
The only thing preventing a monster outbreak, a la April 2, is the cap which is holding up.
I wouldn't be surprised to see PDS watches come up soon...in addition to the possible High Risk.
From easternuswx: Amazing svr parameters over Iowa in vicinity of Des Moines at 19z.
MU CAPE 8000, Craven sig svr. 140, Supercell 48, Sig Hail 6 , LI -14, Tor 3, EHI 11
Yeah, the parameters are just incredible, backed winds, outbreak IF IT WERE NOT for the CINH which is preventing sfc-based convection from developing. I don't think this warrants PDS watches since that variable will continue to be a factor throughout the rest of today and tonight. Even if the CINH can break, LCL heights are still a bit high in the unstable sector due to stronger mixing, and the shear is unjuxtaposed, too far to the north, as a result of the elevated convection in MN blocking the northward progression of the warm front.
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:30 pm
				by CrazyC83
				URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
   TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 620
   NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
   350 PM CDT WED JUL 19 2006
   
   THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
   TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF 
   
          NORTH CENTRAL AND NORTHWEST IOWA
          EXTREME NORTHEAST NEBRASKA
          EXTREME SOUTHEAST SOUTH DAKOTA
   
   EFFECTIVE THIS WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 350 PM UNTIL
   1100 PM CDT.
   
   TORNADOES...HAIL TO 3 INCHES IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND
   GUSTS TO 80 MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE
   AREAS.
   
   THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 45 STATUTE
   MILES NORTH AND SOUTH OF A LINE FROM 45 MILES NORTHWEST OF SIOUX
   CITY IOWA TO 35 MILES SOUTH OF MASON CITY IOWA.  FOR A COMPLETE
   DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE
   (WOUS64 KWNS WOU0).
   
   REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR
   TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
   AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
   THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
   AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.
   
   OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW 617...WW 618...WW 619...
   
   DISCUSSION...AN OUTFLOW BOUNDARY FROM MORNING CONVECTION HAS STALLED
   ACROSS NW IA...WHILE A REINFORCING SURGE PUSHES WWD ACROSS CENTRAL
   IA FROM THE ONGOING IL MCS.  ALONG AND S/W OF THESE OUTFLOWS...THE
   LOW LEVELS HAVE BECOME QUITE MOIST AND UNSTABLE...WITH MLCAPE VALUES
   NOW EXCEEDING 4000 J/KG.  FARTHER W...STRONG SURFACE HEATING HAS
   ERODED THE CAP AND BOUNDARY LAYER CUMULUS ARE DEVELOPING ENEWD
   ACROSS NE NEB. PRESENT INDICATIONS ARE THAT THUNDERSTORM INITIATION
   WILL OCCUR BY ROUGHLY 22-23Z NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF
   IA/NEB/SD...WITH RAPID INTENSIFICATION OF THE STORMS EXPECTED. THE
   EXTREME INSTABILITY...ALONG WITH EFFECTIVE BULK SHEAR IN EXCESS OF
   40 KT AND 0-1 KM SRH IN EXCESS OF 150 M2/S2 ALONG THE OUTFLOW
   BOUNDARY...WILL SUPPORT INTENSE SUPERCELLS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING VERY
   LARGE HAIL AND A FEW TORNADOES.  CONVECTION MAY EVENTUALLY GROW
   UPSCALE INTO AN MCS ACROSS IA BY EARLY TONIGHT...WITH AN INCREASING
   THREAT FOR DAMAGING WINDS.
   
   AVIATION...TORNADOES AND A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL
   SURFACE AND ALOFT TO 3 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE
   WIND GUSTS TO 70 KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO
   600. MEAN STORM MOTION VECTOR 29025.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:46 pm
				by all_we_know_is_FALLING
				CrazyC83 wrote:Right now, the CAPE values are incredibly high in some areas.
The only thing preventing a monster outbreak, a la April 2, is the cap which is holding up.
I wouldn't be surprised to see PDS watches come up soon...in addition to the possible High Risk.
From easternuswx: Amazing svr parameters over Iowa in vicinity of Des Moines at 19z.
MU CAPE 8000, Craven sig svr. 140, Supercell 48, Sig Hail 6 , LI -14, Tor 3, EHI 11
On April 2, there wasn't a high risk or a PDS watch up for the areas hardest hit. And they were just south of the moderate risk area too.
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:06 pm
				by CrazyC83
				all_we_know_is_FALLING wrote:CrazyC83 wrote:Right now, the CAPE values are incredibly high in some areas.
The only thing preventing a monster outbreak, a la April 2, is the cap which is holding up.
I wouldn't be surprised to see PDS watches come up soon...in addition to the possible High Risk.
From easternuswx: Amazing svr parameters over Iowa in vicinity of Des Moines at 19z.
MU CAPE 8000, Craven sig svr. 140, Supercell 48, Sig Hail 6 , LI -14, Tor 3, EHI 11
On April 2, there wasn't a high risk or a PDS watch up for the areas hardest hit. And they were just south of the moderate risk area too.
 
Very true. That is what could very well repeat itself here...the storms are firing up over Nebraska but still have to enter a much more favorable environment...
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:11 pm
				by Gorky
				The few storms cropping up in Nebraska are showing tops to 62.5K feet according to grlevel3... Gives you an idea of the potential really, when that isn't the area of highest instability
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:31 pm
				by conestogo_flood
				What is happening? Something big is brewing?
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:41 pm
				by Gorky
				If the cap breaks, then yes... Currently up to 9000 Cape in places, Li's of -14, Craven Sig Svr at almost 200. There is a hell of a lot of instability waiting to be tapped into if the cap gives way.There are a few storms firing in Nebraska, but it is in Iowa where the worst will be if the cap can break. Thats a big IF though 

 It's struggling at the moment...
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:44 pm
				by conestogo_flood
				9000 kg? What?!
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:36 pm
				by WindRunner
				Strong bow echo/possible derecho starting to effect St. Louis - 3 seperate METAR stations reporting gusts to 48, 55, and 63 mph. That's KSET, KSTL, and KALN respectively.
EDIT: Missed a couple . . . KSUS gusting to 51 and KCPS to 59. Both of those obs were made a full 7 miles ahead of the leading edge of precip.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:54 pm
				by badger70
				Trained spotter confirms 'nado in south St. Louis (EDIT: Near Jefferson Barracks)
Streaming coverage at
http://kmov.com KMOV-TV - St. Louis
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:03 pm
				by Bunkertor
				Is internet explorer needed ?
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:05 pm
				by badger70
				Bunkertor wrote:Is internet explorer needed ?
Nope. I'm seeing it with Linux/firefox with mplayer plugin for Windows media.
EDIT: The direct url is 
http://www.kmov.com//sharedcontent/Vide ... 0&live=yes 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:05 pm
				by TexasStooge
				Bunkertor wrote:Is internet explorer needed ?
Not necessarily, although it requires windows media player.