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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#781 Postby Ntxw » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:39 am

November North American snowfall coverage is running much above normal. Judah Cohen has a good chart. The other year that sticks out like a sore thumb is 2014 (Nuri cold). 2013 was also pretty close. Just a reminder cold is not too far away

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So what cold there is has really been focused over Canada vs Siberia. It's not terribly cold up there now (-10s) but in a week or so a large swath of -20s and -30s should be making a presence in NW and W Canada.

GFS has been hinting at some big blocking over the Arctic and Kara/Barents seas into Greenland middle month. If the Pacific plays nicely we may time it well enough for a major front near Thanksgiving.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#782 Postby starsfan65 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:52 am

Ntxw wrote:
starsfan65 wrote:
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Not much, it's settled where it is most of today, perhaps slightly further south and east. NAM is capturing it well, has DFW in the 50s tomorrow and 40s Wednesday. It is a tale of two worlds right now in the metroplex. Some feels like September while others November. It will blast through the rest of Texas tomorrow afternoon and evening as height rises.

What is the difference in Temperatures in DFW?


Almost 10-20F between neighboring counties

If you are north of the front, you are cooler.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#783 Postby Brent » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:17 pm

3km NAM has mid 40s and widespread rain all day Wednesday :cold: Widespread amounts near an inch.

Also in the 50s all day tomorrow
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#784 Postby Ntxw » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:42 pm

I have some family in Atlanta area who is complaining that their record high of 78 for the day could be broken or tied. Much hoopla for that warmth :lol:.

Some parts of N and W Texas could be seeing some near 50F temp difference between over the weekend and Wednesday
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#785 Postby Yukon Cornelius » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:32 pm

Ntxw wrote:57 :rarrow: 60 :rarrow: 63 :rarrow: 67 :rarrow: 74

In that order Denton, Fort Worth, DFW Airport, Dallas, Rockwall currently almost a 20F difference between locations. Some 40s even further NW around Wichita Falls

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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#786 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:03 pm

Looking at the GFS and the potential for blocking near Turkey week. Ntx, staring at the wave train and the setup, is this a typical La nina trait? Is it possible if you have lower heights in the NW territories, this can help promote higher heights around Greenland. The setup around Thanksgiving looks like a very good one for us.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#787 Postby Ntxw » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:55 pm

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:Looking at the GFS and the potential for blocking near Turkey week. Ntx, staring at the wave train and the setup, is this a typical La nina trait? Is it possible if you have lower heights in the NW territories, this can help promote higher heights around Greenland. The setup around Thanksgiving looks like a very good one for us.


Lower heights in the NW territories is a common feature in La Nina. It's why Canada is very cold during -ENSO events. The blocking over the Atlantic/Greenland side is more random, possibly some correlation with low solar. It would be helpful to slow the pattern down with the Davis straits/Greenland block so that way all that cold in Canada can bleed south. It's not a pattern that brings record cold, but gradual cooling that hangs around. A quicker, sharp dump of cold air mass would be associated with height rises in the EPO/PNA region as long as it stays near or off the west coast.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#788 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:13 pm

Ntxw wrote:
TeamPlayersBlue wrote:Looking at the GFS and the potential for blocking near Turkey week. Ntx, staring at the wave train and the setup, is this a typical La nina trait? Is it possible if you have lower heights in the NW territories, this can help promote higher heights around Greenland. The setup around Thanksgiving looks like a very good one for us.


Lower heights in the NW territories is a common feature in La Nina. It's why Canada is very cold during -ENSO events. The blocking over the Atlantic/Greenland side is more random, possibly some correlation with low solar. It would be helpful to slow the pattern down with the Davis straits/Greenland block so that way all that cold in Canada can bleed south. It's not a pattern that brings record cold, but gradual cooling that hangs around. A quicker, sharp dump of cold air mass would be associated with height rises in the EPO/PNA region as long as it stays near or off the west coast.

All signs are pointing to the Pacific ridging to reside pretty far NW this year so the Atlantic blocking will be needed for cold for most of the winter. Because of that I think we will have to wait until January or so for sustained cold. Though periodically we will likely see the Pacific ridging shifting east across Alaska like we are hoping for around TDay to bring a quick dump of Arctic air from NW Canada.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#789 Postby starsfan65 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:27 pm

Ntxw wrote:
TeamPlayersBlue wrote:Looking at the GFS and the potential for blocking near Turkey week. Ntx, staring at the wave train and the setup, is this a typical La nina trait? Is it possible if you have lower heights in the NW territories, this can help promote higher heights around Greenland. The setup around Thanksgiving looks like a very good one for us.


Lower heights in the NW territories is a common feature in La Nina. It's why Canada is very cold during -ENSO events. The blocking over the Atlantic/Greenland side is more random, possibly some correlation with low solar. It would be helpful to slow the pattern down with the Davis straits/Greenland block so that way all that cold in Canada can bleed south. It's not a pattern that brings record cold, but gradual cooling that hangs around. A quicker, sharp dump of cold air mass would be associated with height rises in the EPO/PNA region as long as it stays near or off the west coast.

Are they predicting 50's for highs tomorrow?
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#790 Postby gboudx » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:24 pm

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Lower heights in the NW territories is a common feature in La Nina. It's why Canada is very cold during -ENSO events. The blocking over the Atlantic/Greenland side is more random, possibly some correlation with low solar. It would be helpful to slow the pattern down with the Davis straits/Greenland block so that way all that cold in Canada can bleed south. It's not a pattern that brings record cold, but gradual cooling that hangs around. A quicker, sharp dump of cold air mass would be associated with height rises in the EPO/PNA region as long as it stays near or off the west coast.

Are they predicting 50's for highs tomorrow?


Who's "they"? And for what area are you asking about the highs tomorrow? You can update your profile to include your location so we know what area you live in.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#791 Postby starsfan65 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:33 pm

gboudx wrote:
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Ntxw wrote:
Lower heights in the NW territories is a common feature in La Nina. It's why Canada is very cold during -ENSO events. The blocking over the Atlantic/Greenland side is more random, possibly some correlation with low solar. It would be helpful to slow the pattern down with the Davis straits/Greenland block so that way all that cold in Canada can bleed south. It's not a pattern that brings record cold, but gradual cooling that hangs around. A quicker, sharp dump of cold air mass would be associated with height rises in the EPO/PNA region as long as it stays near or off the west coast.

Are they predicting 50's for highs tomorrow?


Who's "they"? And for what area are you asking about the highs tomorrow? You can update your profile to include your location so we know what area you live in.
For DFW?
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#792 Postby gboudx » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:37 pm

The NWS is forecasting low to mid 60's, but do mention in their discussion the high could stay in the 50's.

If the NAM 2 meter T`s are to verify, mid 50s for highs are more probable as far south as the I-20 corridor!


I guess tomorrow could be one of those days where the high temp is realized early in the day, with falling temps. Either way, it's not the 80s or 90's. :D
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#793 Postby starsfan65 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:40 pm

gboudx wrote:The NWS is forecasting low to mid 60's, but do mention in their discussion the high could stay in the 50's.

If the NAM 2 meter T`s are to verify, mid 50s for highs are more probable as far south as the I-20 corridor!


I guess tomorrow could be one of those days where the high temp is realized early in the day, with falling temps. Either way, it's not the 80s or 90's. :D
Thank Goodness!! I am tired of the 80's and 90's!!
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#794 Postby Ntxw » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:41 pm

Surface front is now on the move and well south of DFW making its way through Waco, and eventually central and SE Texas tomorrow. Short range hi-res guidance is pretty consolidated on 50s tomorrow and given cloud cover and cold air advection via height rises I'd side with them. I suspect the forecast trend will be down with it.

Weds cold, rainy, and raw. Gumbo weather! QPF from 0z NAM

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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#795 Postby starsfan65 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:05 pm

Ntxw wrote:Surface front is now on the move and well south of DFW making its way through Waco, and eventually central and SE Texas tomorrow. Short range hi-res guidance is pretty consolidated on 50s tomorrow and given cloud cover and cold air advection via height rises I'd side with them. I suspect the forecast trend will be down with it.

Weds cold, rainy, and raw. Gumbo weather! QPF from 0z NAM

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We will say an inch of rain is a good prediction.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#796 Postby Brent » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:03 pm

Interesting on the NAM most of the rain is later Wednesday and Wednesday Night especially, not earlier as originally forecast
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#797 Postby starsfan65 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:19 pm

Brent wrote:Interesting on the NAM most of the rain is later Wednesday and Wednesday Night especially, not earlier as originally forecast
What about the temperatures?
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#798 Postby Brent » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:19 pm

starsfan65 wrote:
Brent wrote:Interesting on the NAM most of the rain is later Wednesday and Wednesday Night especially, not earlier as originally forecast
What about the temperatures?


Temps around 50 in DFW, give or take a degree or two
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#799 Postby starsfan65 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:22 pm

Brent wrote:
starsfan65 wrote:
Brent wrote:Interesting on the NAM most of the rain is later Wednesday and Wednesday Night especially, not earlier as originally forecast
What about the temperatures?


Temps around 50 in DFW, give or take a degree or two
Most of the day in the 40's.
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Re: Texas Fall 2017

#800 Postby starsfan65 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:29 pm

starsfan65 wrote:
Brent wrote:
starsfan65 wrote:What about the temperatures?


Temps around 50 in DFW, give or take a degree or two
Most of the day in the 40's.
How late?
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