Multi-day outbreak of May 25-31

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#481 Postby EF-5bigj » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:17 am

While I was watching TWC coverage Dr.Greg Forbes said the radar folded. When that violent wedge tornado was on the ground.
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#482 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:45 am

Something like this was bound to happen. Each year the amount of chasers grow and especially in Oklahoma/Kansas it's becoming more of a tornado "touring" industry, and has gotten way out of hand into a circus. With so many people converging on any one storm these days, it was only a matter of time.

Cyclenall wrote:The training storms on OKC are still going, man what the heck is going on?


Front has stalled just to the north/nw of OKC metro and the storms keep going along the boundary over the same areas.
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#483 Postby Cyclenall » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:49 am

EF-5bigj wrote:While I was watching TWC coverage Dr.Greg Forbes said the radar folded. When that violent wedge tornado was on the ground.

What do you mean by "folded"?

Here was the short-term forecast from TWN for OKC:

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It was laughable 7 hours ago, its even more comical now. That mostly cloudy period had tornadoes all over and that and this overnight period have more like 5-10 inches of rain not mm!!! BTW, its still going over the northern part :double: .

Ntxw wrote:Front has stalled just to the north/nw of OKC metro and the storms keep going along the boundary over the same areas.

Thanks for the answer. The amount of juice needed to fuel that is being maximized for sure (insane CAPE).
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#484 Postby EF-5bigj » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:51 am

Basically the radar hit its limit of what wind speeds it could measure.
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#485 Postby JonathanBelles » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:54 am

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#486 Postby StormingB81 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:09 am

JonathanBelles wrote:I have no words: http://www.weather.com/video/raw-inside ... icle-37089



I was shocked my mouth dropped open and to think only minor injuries. WOW!
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#487 Postby Cyclenall » Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:14 am

EF-5bigj wrote:Basically the radar hit its limit of what wind speeds it could measure.

I didn't know there was a limit, that's different.

JonathanBelles wrote:I have no words: http://www.weather.com/video/raw-inside ... icle-37089

Never thought I'd see something like that from TWC or any other chaser (until 7 years ago that is). It was a very crazy tornado for many reasons, including its satellite tornadoes. Surprised no one was screaming in that one.

3 TOR warnings still ongoing in the middle of the night, some in the lines. Last time that type of thing occurred was April 15, 2012.

Still going:

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTRTZUVDOKw#![/youtube]
Jeff P's video of it. Its awesome as usual. I really want to see the footage of it when it had 290 knots g2g.
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#488 Postby EF-5bigj » Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:25 am

Yeah on air they where saying it hit its ambigious limit. It had yellow instead of red or green colors.
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#489 Postby thetruesms » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:18 am

EF-5bigj wrote:Yeah on air they where saying it hit its ambigious limit. It had yellow instead of red or green colors.
Technically, that happens relatively easily. The highest unambiguous velocity for an 88-D is only something like 75 mph. There are multiple strategies to get around that using software algorithms and/or multiple sweeps at an elevation with slightly different characteristics of the radar pulse. So, in reality, at extremely high wind speeds as in violent tornadoes, the velocity has folded multiple times. When it actually shows up in an image, it's due to a failure of the dealiasing algorithm. This can signal possibly very high velocities, but doesn't necessarily guarantee them. The algorithm could fail for other reasons.
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#490 Postby EF-5bigj » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:22 am

Thanks for explaining that :)
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Re: Multi-day outbreak for most of this week

#491 Postby Cyclenall » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:56 am

As CNN went live through the night, Reed Timmer did a live interview by phone nearly at 3:00 am in the morning EDT. He doesn't sleep :lol: . He was explaining the multi-vortex stage of the El Reno tornado and something I've not heard before, there is some research suggesting that some of those vorts can be as high as 400 to 500 mph...I'm not sure how that can be but its what he said.

Some reporting from CNN has been, well lets just say wrong. I've heard about 3 pieces of info that have been flat out false from on-air mets, then a news anchor said Brandon Sullivan (you know the video that everyone knows by now) and his group were experts or knowledgeable or professional chasers to some degree. Lets just say he is all alone in that opinion :roll: . Risk really does = reward in the media. Another anchor mentioned the guy not wearing his seatbelt during half that time and didn't say anything negative about it, just laughed it off.

:darrow: :darrow: It just keeps going and going and going...

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Here are some new tornado videos of that monster hot off the press:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk7LJvjYV9s[/youtube]

Impressive footage of the monster, showing its various wedge stages. At 2:53, there is a cool satellite tornado.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfM2nA4-PjU[/youtube]

Longer footage, more multi-vortex and huge wedge stage. Shows it becoming either more rain-wrapped or the amazing winds created from it nearby. You can hear the wind just howl from it!! :eek:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDl3kVRrNd0[/youtube]

The windshield breaks on two fronts but what I find amusing is they use that to their advantage near the end to keep filming the tornado out the back :lol: :lol: . Meanwhile, the RFD (I think) winds are blowing like crazy during that.
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#492 Postby Texas Snowman » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:03 am

@KatyJBlakey: OK WX: @DanielleDozier & @okweatherman are tracking rain totals for central Oklahoma! OKC had 7.2 inches in 12 hours! #kocowx #okwx
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#493 Postby Bunkertor » Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:26 am

I took this picture last night
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#494 Postby WeatherGuesser » Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:41 am

Do we know that any 'chasers' got hit? We know Bettes did, but he's a Met. I'm asking about the hobbyists/tourists.

As much as I dislike them, I don't see how there can be any laws put in place to stop them. They use their own vehicles on public roads. There are laws about use of cell phones and other devices, but if they have passengers and the driver isn't directly using those devices, they don't apply.

If they get hit, it would be the same as any other tourist/traveler/visitor as far as rescue operations.

The media should not be buying their products, but you can really outlaw that either.

Short of them getting in the way and impeding traffic or rescue operations in affected areas, I don't see a way to outlaw 'chasing'.
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#495 Postby badger70 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:18 am

Hey RL3AO: Appreciated your posting the STL velocity. I was looking for exactly that as the red boxes were being extended eastward. Was able to better alert some friends within a few miles of the path.
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#496 Postby RL3AO » Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:51 am

badger70 wrote:Hey RL3AO: Appreciated your posting the STL velocity. I was looking for exactly that as the red boxes were being extended eastward. Was able to better alert some friends within a few miles of the path.


Glad it was of some help
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#497 Postby WeatherGuesser » Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:01 am

RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PADUCAH KY
0730 AM CDT SAT JUN 01 2013

...RECORD DAILY MAXIMUM RAINFALL SET AT PADUCAH KY...

TORRENTIAL RAINS HAD MOVED ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE QUAD STATE AREA
EARLY THIS MORNING PRODUCING WIDESPREAD FLASH FLOODING IN MCCRACKEN
COUNTY.

BETWEEN 3:15 AM CDT TO 7:30 AM THE ASOS AT PADUCAH RECORDED 4.83
INCHES OF RAIN
. THIS SHATTERS THE OLD RECORD OF A DAILY RAINFALL
TOTAL OF 2.61 INCHES SET ON THIS DATE IN 1971. WITH RAIN STILL IN
THE FORECAST THE TOTAL RAINFALL FOR THE DAY WILL SURELY RISE.

THE AVERAGE MONTHLY RAINFALL FOR PADUCAH DURING THE MONTH OF JUNE IS
4.06 INCHES
.

http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php ... glossary=0

More than the full month's normal rainfall in a little over 4 hours.
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Re: Multi-day outbreak for most of this week

#498 Postby cycloneye » Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:02 am

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
850 AM CDT SAT JUN 1 2013

...UPDATE ON MAY 31 SEVERE WEATHER...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NORMAN HAS DISPATCHED THREE DAMAGE
SURVEY CREWS TO VARIOUS PARTS OF THE OKLAHOMA CITY AREA THIS MORNING
TO DETERMINE THE NATURE AND EXTENT OF THE MAY 31ST STORMS.
INFORMATION FROM THESE TEAMS WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE VIA PUBLIC
INFORMATION STATEMENT UPDATES THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

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#499 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:38 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/cap ... g-forever/

Excellent article by James Samenow of Capital Weather Gang.
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#500 Postby artist » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:02 am

there are now 7 dead. WAtching KOCO with news conference
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