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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2021 Postby Brent » Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:58 pm

The blizzard up north is something else

Can't wait til its our turn
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2022 Postby Haris » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:00 pm

It's very painful as weird as it sounds watching and missing such a beautiful perfect snowstorm over the plains. Very painful :cry:
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2023 Postby Brent » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:03 pm

Haris wrote:It's very painful as weird as it sounds watching and missing such a beautiful perfect snowstorm over the plains. Very painful :cry:


Missed a blizzard in Chicago by 6 weeks! :double:
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2024 Postby Ntxw » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:25 pm

Brent wrote:The blizzard up north is something else

Can't wait til its our turn


Blizzard on the GFS. Path TBD.

Still thinking Dec 1-5 is period to watch.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2025 Postby South Texas Storms » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:52 pm

18z GFS is close to having a decent snow storm across TX around December 6.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2026 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:53 pm

This +PNA has got to go! :roll:
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2027 Postby bubba hotep » Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:06 pm

12z FV3 bringing the mother load of cold air?

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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2028 Postby northjaxpro » Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:13 pm

Cpv17 wrote:This +PNA has got to go! :roll:


Yeah, long range models hinting height rises at mid to upper levels across the Intermountain West and Western Canada in the next 10 days. We will see if indeed we are seeing a period of +PNA.

GFS long range is also showing deep upper trough potentially across the Eastern CONUS by the end of the first week of December. As I mentioned on a post previous page, GFS in long range showing a potent Arctic High coming down out of Saskatchewan south into the lower CONUS during the first week of December.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2029 Postby Brent » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:53 pm

Cpv17 wrote:This +PNA has got to go! :roll:


Cant be gone soon enough

I really hope early December produces
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2030 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:14 pm

Lotta football left guys. Im ok with things being fairly zonal at the moment. Let that snow pack continue to grow in Canada. One thing i noticed about the 1977 winter thats similar to this one the snow pack was enormous all the way down into the plains. Storms like the one today dumping big snows that can stick around are good for us. Doesnt modify the HP as much when they descend into Texas
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2031 Postby CaptinCrunch » Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:58 pm

NWS FTW

LONG TERM... /Issued 311 PM CST Sun Nov 25 2018/
/Monday through Sunday/

After a cold start to the morning with temperatures at sunrise in
the upper 20s to the mid 30s, a steady warmup is expected Monday under full sun. Afternoon temperatures will still be below normal with highs mainly in the lower and middle 50s.

Dry northwest flow aloft will continue Monday night and Tuesday with ridging over the western half of the country and a deep trough in the east. This pattern will keep North and Central Texas mostly clear and dry, allowing for optimal radiational cooling Monday night, with lows near or below freezing in most locations. Tuesday will be slightly warmer but still below seasonal normals with highs in upper 50s and lower 60s.

The upper pattern will become more zonal Tuesday night/Wednesday as the upper ridge axis shifts to the Plains and an upper trough strengthens off the West Coast. The surface reflection from this upper pattern will be lee troughing across the Central and Southern High Plains with increasing low level warm/moist advection across North and Central Texas. Therefore, it will be warmer Tuesday night/Wednesday with lows from the mid 30s to lower 40s and highs in the 60s.

The upper trough will deepen as it move into the western CONUS Thursday, further intensifying the surface lee trough and
bringing a good return of low level moisture to the region along
with a few warm air advection sprinkles. The better precipitation
chances will arrive Friday when the upper system moves across the Four Corners region, increasing large scale lift and
destabilizing the atmosphere over Texas. There are still some
model differences regarding the strength and speed of the upper low, but overall it appears that the best chance for showers and thunderstorms will be Friday night/early Saturday. The upper low is progged to lift northeast into the Central Plains Saturda night while dry air moves in behind a cold front.

Another upper trough is forecast by the GFS to move into the
Great Basin and Central Rockies on Sunday. If this solution
verifies it will bring a quick return of Gulf moisture to
North/Central Texas Sunday with rain/thunderstorm chances Sunday night/Monday. The ECMWF solution on the other hand keeps the forecast dry Sunday through Monday with zonal flow over much of the CONUS. We will side with the drier ECMWF solution for now and await some model consensus before introducing any PoPs for the first week of December.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2032 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:33 pm

Whew, I think I’m still drunk from the LSU-A&M game... now bring me FRIGID AIR and moisture.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2033 Postby Ntxw » Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:04 pm

You know, in any other year that we weren't looking for snow the news of the upcoming -EPO/-PNA dip would be newsworthy and buzz on the board about early season unusual cold. The PNA dip is what will allow the storms to dig into the west before coming out. Of course snow has made a lot of headlines for this winter so that's been on the back burner. Chilly start to December.

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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2034 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:32 pm

Ntxw wrote:You know, in any other year that we weren't looking for snow the news of the upcoming -EPO/-PNA dip would be newsworthy and buzz on the board about early season unusual cold. The PNA dip is what will allow the storms to dig into the west before coming out. Of course snow has made a lot of headlines for this winter so that's been on the back burner. Chilly start to December.

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Ntxw, to me, if the ensembles are correct in the epo and pna, the euro should start to show more storminess instead of dry scenarios
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2035 Postby Ntxw » Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:41 pm

hamburgerman7070 wrote:
Ntxw wrote:You know, in any other year that we weren't looking for snow the news of the upcoming -EPO/-PNA dip would be newsworthy and buzz on the board about early season unusual cold. The PNA dip is what will allow the storms to dig into the west before coming out. Of course snow has made a lot of headlines for this winter so that's been on the back burner. Chilly start to December.

https://images2.imgbox.com/68/69/Tv3snyXE_o.jpg


Ntxw, to me, if the ensembles are correct in the epo and pna, the euro should start to show more storminess instead of dry scenarios


I agree. I am not set on looking at the surface maps yet. You got to watch the 500mb shortwaves first. If they dig enough west of us there will be moisture. If they don't dig then it (moisture) will be north of us. A lot of lift in such a broad trough.

If the initial shortwave slows down and kicks out later, it's not going to be an Okla/KS snowstorm but rather west Texas/N Texas storm.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2036 Postby Ntxw » Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:51 pm

Top heavy for D8 :lol:

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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2037 Postby Brent » Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:02 am

Euro looking interesting around December 4th, some light snow along an arctic front NW of DFW and so close to being something bigger. One thing for sure, that is looking like the next shot at some really cold air like a couple weeks ago. Hopefully with moisture this time

until then the +PNA Is killing us, most of Friday's rain is east
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2038 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:38 am

Models are getting closer to something good during the time period we have been highlighting. Now just need the trough to dig into Baja vs CA/NV to direct the moisture to the I-20 vs I-70 corridor. It is approaching the time where op runs can be useful, but I'd wait until late this week before concerning yourself too much with surface depictions for anything but entertainment.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2039 Postby Ralph's Weather » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:03 am

Watch how far south the system late this week digs. Models show it digging top the 4 Corners and heading due east. If it can dig south of I-40 I think our winter storm chances next week increase as each trough in this series should dig further south. At surface of the heavy snow late this week is along I-40 then we are looking good for next week to be along I-20. Also remember that there will be a final piece late next week before the +PNA returns so we will begin watching that also.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#2040 Postby Yukon Cornelius » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:23 am

Nice to have another cold morning. Made it down to 27 with a heavy frost.
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