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Re: Texas Summer-2015

#121 Postby Ntxw » Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:17 am

JDawg512 wrote:Yea there doesn't seem to be anything significant in the mid range models either. I wasn't expecting much rain this month but was hoping of getting around average. If there's nothing showing up in the extended models by the 15th then it's gonna suck! :sick:


I know it's tough. Worst time of the year IMO ;). July and August is a cold mongerer's equivalent to wxman57 in January and February and as a weather nut very little tends to happen in these months. Fall can't come soon enough.
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#122 Postby gboudx » Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:22 am

57 has been fairly absent from this thread. He must be busy with the overly active Atlantic tropical season. :)
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#123 Postby weatherdude1108 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:42 am

gboudx wrote:57 has been fairly absent from this thread. He must be busy with the overly active Atlantic tropical season. :)

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I was wondering where he is(?). He seems to show himself mostly during the Winter months. He's likely out biking in the delightfully crisp 90-degree sunshine. :wink:
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#124 Postby Ntxw » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:23 am

Speaking of tropical season, if you are a fan of tracking large, strong hurricanes follow invest 98E on the southern coast of Mexico. This one is going to be another EPAC monster though likely to continue west. It will be very pictureseque as the Euro/GFS has been quite consistent.

Hawaii is also being dotted with activity all around them, not something they are too accustomed to.
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#125 Postby Brent » Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:18 pm

gboudx wrote:57 has been fairly absent from this thread. He must be busy with the overly active Atlantic tropical season. :)


:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
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#126 Postby weatherdude1108 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:00 pm

Thank goodness for that extra soil moisture!!

One of the local weather guys on the news the other day said that if we didn't get all those rains in May and June, instead of the low 90s we have been seeing, we would be seeing 101-102 degrees.

Most of the Sun's energy directed into evaporation of the the moist soil, reducing direct heating of the air. Whereas Sun's output on already baked soils goes directly to heating the air (i.e., 2011 extreme example), causing misery for everyone, except wxman57.


000
FXUS64 KEWX 101946
AFDEWX

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AUSTIN/SAN ANTONIO TX
246 PM CDT FRI JUL 10 2015

.LONG TERM (SUNDAY THROUGH FRIDAY)...THE LONG TERM FORECAST WILL
BE INFLUENCED PREDOMINATELY BY AN UPPER LEVEL RIDGE. THE UPPER
LEVEL RIDGE ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST U.S. AND NORTHERN GULF OF MEXICO
WILL GRADUALLY MOVE WEST AND AMPLIFY SUNDAY AND MONDAY...CENTERING
OVER NORTH TEXAS AND OKLAHOMA...BUT MAINTAINING A FIRM GRIP ON WX
ACROSS SOUTH-CENTRAL TEXAS. THE RIDGE DOES LOOK TO FLATTEN
SLIGHTLY MID WEEK...BUT WILL BE CENTERED OVER THE STATE DURING
THIS TIME. THE RESULT WILL BE A DRY FORECAST AND WARMING
TEMPERATURES...WITH HIGHS BACK TO AND EVENTUALLY ABOVE NORMAL
MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. ABOVE NORMAL SOIL AND FUEL MOISTURE WILL
ASSIST IN NOT ALLOWING HIGHS TO GET TOO FAR OUT OF CONTROL.

NEVERTHELESS IT WILL BE WARM NEXT WEEK.
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#127 Postby gpsnowman » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:33 pm

I saw the first 100 degree number on the news this morning and sighed. Luckily I will be in central Mexico for two weeks starting the 16th. The weather is always rainy and cool down there this time of year. When I return it should be yucky and hot. But by then training camp will have started and football and autumn will be just around the corner. Sweet.
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#128 Postby weatherdude1108 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:24 pm

Bob Rose mentioned the correlation to 1957 in today's blog.

It's interesting to note the weather pattern this spring and summer has so far closely followed the weather pattern observed here in 1957 when El Nino developed and the drought broke across Texas. That year, very heavy rains developed in the spring but conditions turned in July and August before the wet pattern returned in September and October. In Austin, only 0.55 inches of rain was recorded in July and only a trace of rain was observed in August. 6.43 inches occurred in September. There were 18 100-degree temperatures recorded July through August of that year. Summer 1957 appears to be a good guide as to the kind of general weather conditions our region can expect this summer and fall.


http://www.lcra.org/water/river-and-wea ... ather.aspx
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#129 Postby Brent » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:14 pm

Rick Mitchell on NBC 5 just teased 1957 in the weather preview
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#130 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:49 pm

1957 looks to be a good analog for the winter. Warm off California, warm pool in GOA and of course fairly strong El nino in the pacific. Another interesting thing to note is how dry conditions were around 1955, 2 yrs before '57 and how dry conditions have been in the last couple years.

Ive been on the NOAA site wearing myself out trying to figure things out a bit more but i like the analog. I couldnt get proper datasets for 1957 though. 500MB anomaly, precip anomaly, temp anomaly etc.
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#131 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:05 pm

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:1957 looks to be a good analog for the winter. Warm off California, warm pool in GOA and of course fairly strong El nino in the pacific. Another interesting thing to note is how dry conditions were around 1955, 2 yrs before '57 and how dry conditions have been in the last couple years.

Ive been on the NOAA site wearing myself out trying to figure things out a bit more but i like the analog. I couldnt get proper datasets for 1957 though. 500MB anomaly, precip anomaly, temp anomaly etc.


MEI analogs (includes both ocean and atmosphere) list from Wolter Klaus signifies 1972-1973, 1982-1983, 1986-1987, and 1997-1998 as better analogs in terms of Nino evolution. The big thing missing from 1957 is the big +PDO readings so the north Pacific was radically different as well as the AMO.
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#132 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:13 pm

To add, again I want to caution model hugging, with the volatile Pacific tropical activity the skill scores for models have been not so good. The differences are drastic so be careful sticking too much to them.

Look at the 180 from the OP vs the ENS of the GFS one is warm central conus another is cool central conus. Both can't be right.
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#133 Postby JDawg512 » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:50 pm

Ntxw wrote:
TeamPlayersBlue wrote:1957 looks to be a good analog for the winter. Warm off California, warm pool in GOA and of course fairly strong El nino in the pacific. Another interesting thing to note is how dry conditions were around 1955, 2 yrs before '57 and how dry conditions have been in the last couple years.

Ive been on the NOAA site wearing myself out trying to figure things out a bit more but i like the analog. I couldnt get proper datasets for 1957 though. 500MB anomaly, precip anomaly, temp anomaly etc.


MEI analogs (includes both ocean and atmosphere) list from Wolter Klaus signifies 1972-1973, 1982-1983, 1986-1987, and 1997-1998 as better analogs in terms of Nino evolution. The big thing missing from 1957 is the big +PDO readings so the north Pacific was radically different as well as the AMO.



Speaking of the PDO, it will be interesting to see if it stays positive come next summer or if it reverts back to negative. Could this signify a long term +PDO shift? Too soon to say but I have fond memories of the 80s and 90s when the +PDO doninated.
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#134 Postby Portastorm » Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:45 pm

Ntxw wrote:
TeamPlayersBlue wrote:1957 looks to be a good analog for the winter. Warm off California, warm pool in GOA and of course fairly strong El nino in the pacific. Another interesting thing to note is how dry conditions were around 1955, 2 yrs before '57 and how dry conditions have been in the last couple years.

Ive been on the NOAA site wearing myself out trying to figure things out a bit more but i like the analog. I couldnt get proper datasets for 1957 though. 500MB anomaly, precip anomaly, temp anomaly etc.


MEI analogs (includes both ocean and atmosphere) list from Wolter Klaus signifies 1972-1973, 1982-1983, 1986-1987, and 1997-1998 as better analogs in terms of Nino evolution. The big thing missing from 1957 is the big +PDO readings so the north Pacific was radically different as well as the AMO.


We've all marveled the last two winters about the anomalous warmth of ocean temps in the NE Pacific. They appear right now to be even warmer than last year at this time. This is just extraordinary!
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#135 Postby weatherdude1108 » Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:40 pm

Portastorm wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
TeamPlayersBlue wrote:1957 looks to be a good analog for the winter. Warm off California, warm pool in GOA and of course fairly strong El nino in the pacific. Another interesting thing to note is how dry conditions were around 1955, 2 yrs before '57 and how dry conditions have been in the last couple years.

Ive been on the NOAA site wearing myself out trying to figure things out a bit more but i like the analog. I couldnt get proper datasets for 1957 though. 500MB anomaly, precip anomaly, temp anomaly etc.


MEI analogs (includes both ocean and atmosphere) list from Wolter Klaus signifies 1972-1973, 1982-1983, 1986-1987, and 1997-1998 as better analogs in terms of Nino evolution. The big thing missing from 1957 is the big +PDO readings so the north Pacific was radically different as well as the AMO.


We've all marveled the last two winters about the anomalous warmth of ocean temps in the NE Pacific. They appear right now to be even warmer than last year at this time. This is just extraordinary!


Yeah. We may not have an accurate historical analog to go on. The phenomenal NE Pacific warmth may be a kind of uncharted territory for the current long-term forecasting models.
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#136 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:53 pm

Speaking of PDO, June reading went up again to +1.54. We are amidst a very positive PDO signal the past year and a half.
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#137 Postby high_lander » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:44 pm

Ntxw wrote:Speaking of PDO, June reading went up again to +1.54. We are amidst a very positive PDO signal the past year and a half.



For us weather n00bs, can you explain what that correlation means? How does that affect our local weather.

Having been born and raised in SoCal, weather is just warm or chilly. Since moving to NTX, I have become a lot more weather conscience.
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#138 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:33 pm

high_lander wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Speaking of PDO, June reading went up again to +1.54. We are amidst a very positive PDO signal the past year and a half.



For us weather n00bs, can you explain what that correlation means? How does that affect our local weather.

Having been born and raised in SoCal, weather is just warm or chilly. Since moving to NTX, I have become a lot more weather conscience.


In the long terms, speaking in months and seasons, west coast ridge, central and eastern conus trough. +PDO = 1980s/1990s, -PDO 2000s.
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#139 Postby aggiecutter » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:01 pm

high_lander wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Speaking of PDO, June reading went up again to +1.54. We are amidst a very positive PDO signal the past year and a half.



For us weather n00bs, can you explain what that correlation means? How does that affect our local weather.

Having been born and raised in SoCal, weather is just warm or chilly. Since moving to NTX, I have become a lot more weather conscience.


It means no snow for SW Austin for the next 10 years.
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#140 Postby Brent » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:15 pm

100 or not... it's too freaking hot today.
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