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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1061 Postby Ntxw » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:15 pm

Golfisnteasy7575 wrote:
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Brent wrote:GEFS suddenly has some bigger storms showing up here :eek:

It's been mostly a dusting or so

Im telling y'all this pattern has all kinds of potential right off the bat for winter


This upcoming pattern isn't a warm one. We've been lacking this for so long. Those 1989 analogs popping up daily on the packages signaled it was going to be a different regime, regardless the outcome.

I know we deal with the hand that gets dealt us, but if it's a front loaded winter, I'm hoping we all will cash in


Severe -EPO/-WPO don't tend to be just front loaded. We will soon know if something is going on in the Pacific to cause the change. The La Nina fail on ONI tells us other things are driving the pattern.
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1062 Postby Brent » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:16 pm

Golfisnteasy7575 wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
Brent wrote:GEFS suddenly has some bigger storms showing up here :eek:

It's been mostly a dusting or so

Im telling y'all this pattern has all kinds of potential right off the bat for winter


This upcoming pattern isn't a warm one. We've been lacking this for so long. Those 1989 analogs popping up daily on the packages signaled it was going to be a different regime, regardless the outcome.

I know we deal with the hand that gets dealt us, but if it's a front loaded winter, I'm hoping we all will cash in


Yeah honestly I hate waiting til February because look at the last two years... Nothing happened :lol: much rather just get it over with and not have to worry about it

But who knows this could be a pattern all winter at this rate. Nobody knows
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1063 Postby Golfisnteasy7575 » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:21 pm

Brent wrote:
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Ntxw wrote:
This upcoming pattern isn't a warm one. We've been lacking this for so long. Those 1989 analogs popping up daily on the packages signaled it was going to be a different regime, regardless the outcome.

I know we deal with the hand that gets dealt us, but if it's a front loaded winter, I'm hoping we all will cash in


Yeah honestly I hate waiting til February because look at the last two years... Nothing happened :lol: much rather just get it over with and not have to worry about it

But who knows this could be a pattern all winter at this rate. Nobody knows


We were lucky last January. Just enough moisture for a good snow event. 15 degrees with snow
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1064 Postby Ntxw » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:23 pm

Euro weeklies keep the NEPAC ridging going through mid-late December. For once, we might see a cold December!
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1065 Postby Golfisnteasy7575 » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:24 pm

Ntxw wrote:
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This upcoming pattern isn't a warm one. We've been lacking this for so long. Those 1989 analogs popping up daily on the packages signaled it was going to be a different regime, regardless the outcome.

I know we deal with the hand that gets dealt us, but if it's a front loaded winter, I'm hoping we all will cash in


Severe -EPO/-WPO don't tend to be just front loaded. We will soon know if something is going on in the Pacific to cause the change. The La Nina fail on ONI tells us other things are driving the pattern.


If the pdo keeps rising, I would be doing back flips, cartwheels with excitement because at that point, I would be pretty confident the changes are going to happen
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1066 Postby Ntxw » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:25 pm

Golfisnteasy7575 wrote:
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Golfisnteasy7575 wrote:I know we deal with the hand that gets dealt us, but if it's a front loaded winter, I'm hoping we all will cash in


Severe -EPO/-WPO don't tend to be just front loaded. We will soon know if something is going on in the Pacific to cause the change. The La Nina fail on ONI tells us other things are driving the pattern.


If the pdo keeps rising, I would be doing back flips, cartwheels with excitement because at that point, I would be pretty confident the changes are going to happen


Sometimes it's the change from one point to another that creates the most exciting weather. Like 2013-2015 PDO rise, and 2019-2021 PDO fall. In most of those years, you had ENSO fails because things were shifting.
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1067 Postby Golfisnteasy7575 » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:27 pm

Ntxw wrote:
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This upcoming pattern isn't a warm one. We've been lacking this for so long. Those 1989 analogs popping up daily on the packages signaled it was going to be a different regime, regardless the outcome.

I know we deal with the hand that gets dealt us, but if it's a front loaded winter, I'm hoping we all will cash in


Severe -EPO/-WPO don't tend to be just front loaded. We will soon know if something is going on in the Pacific to cause the change. The La Nina fail on ONI tells us other things are driving the pattern.

A weak east based niña would be okay for us I believe, but usually they have a warm month, which is usually December and 21-22 was a good example. That niña was stronger but still east based.
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1068 Postby Ntxw » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:32 pm

12z Euro with high trajectory would likely yield a first hard freeze for most.

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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1069 Postby Stratton23 » Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:55 pm

Euro AIFS with a weaker western us ridge which allows the trough to dig much further west, arctic air is poised to come straight down into texas and not SE, other models have been trending towards this as well
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1070 Postby Brent » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:12 pm

Stratton23 wrote:Euro AIFS with a weaker western us ridge which allows the trough to dig much further west, arctic air is poised to come straight down into texas and not SE, other models have been trending towards this as well


That's been the trend the last few years tbh. My friends back east always complain about it
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1071 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:29 pm

Ntxw wrote:12z Euro with high trajectory would likely yield a first hard freeze for most.

https://i.imgur.com/FIFkBTW.gif

You got to see the blocking pattern from the Euro, it's WILD
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1072 Postby wxman22 » Sun Nov 24, 2024 5:08 pm

It's important to remember that due to geography there is the tendency of cold air to build and dam along the lee side of the Rockies and dive south. This often allows arctic air to dive into the southern plains even if the 500mb trough is positioned to the northeast of us.For us in Texas and Oklahoma when figuring out the potential of an arctic air mass looking at the surface features is just as important as the upper level flow.This unique geography also allows the southern plains to receive more winter weather events than those at the same latitudes east of us in the deep south.
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1073 Postby Brent » Sun Nov 24, 2024 7:19 pm

wxman22 wrote:It's important to remember that due to geography there is the tendency of cold air to build and dam along the lee side of the Rockies and dive south. This often allows arctic air to dive into the southern plains even if the 500mb trough is positioned to the northeast of us.For us in Texas and Oklahoma when figuring out the potential of an arctic air mass looking at the surface features is just as important as the upper level flow.This unique geography also allows the southern plains to receive more winter weather events than those at the same latitudes east of us in the deep south.


Yeah I have a lot of friends back east who haven't seen anything remotely like we've had since 2021 and I also read last night that Charlotte NC's snow average has dropped several inches in the last decade because it's not snowing like it used to kind of crazy

They can't even talk about February 2021 tbh it was miserable over there
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1074 Postby Cpv17 » Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:08 am

Huge difference between the Euro and GFS regarding rainfall in southeast TX. Please let the Euro pan out! We need the rain!
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1075 Postby Ntxw » Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:25 am

Cold front coming through DFW this morning. One more hot day on Wednesday.
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1076 Postby Brent » Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:29 am

We may not hit 60 again for a very long time. Wednesdays front has trended faster here before peak heating

Until last week we hadn't even had a high below 60 since April. Crazy flip
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1077 Postby CaptinCrunch » Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:01 am

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Fort Worth TX
548 AM CST Mon Nov 25 2024


Short Term...

.KEY MESSAGES...

- Two cold fronts this week will deliver multiple shots of cooler
air into North and Central Texas. The first front will arrive
Monday morning, bringing temperatures back closer to seasonal
normals.

- Another cold front arrives Wednesday night bringing much cooler
temperatures for Thanksgiving Day.

- The majority of North Texas and several locations across
Central Texas will see the first freeze of the season Thursday
night into Friday morning.


We will remain in an active weather pattern during the latter half
of the week as the next upper trough progresses eastward across
the southern Plains. The associated cold front will push south
and into our area Wednesday evening/night with a much colder
airmass behind it. Prepare for a chilly/cool and breezy
Thanksgiving Day. The day will start cloudy, but then should
slowly clear out in the afternoon as the drier air arrives. A cold
night will follow as North Texas`s first widespread freeze is
becoming more likely. A few spots across Central Texas will also
see their first freeze of the season. Sufficient radiational
cooling in addition to the light northerly winds should allow
temperatures to drop to the upper 20s and mid 30s.


The seasonably cooler and dry conditions will continue Friday and
into the weekend with highs in the 50s/60s and lows in the
30s/40s. The majority of the extended guidance is showing another
cold front late Saturday which could bring a much colder Canadian
airmass into the region.
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1078 Postby HockeyTx82 » Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:15 am

Yup, sure feels nice out. I dropped my car off about a mile from my office on the UNT Campus to get an oil change. I walked in with a hot cup of coffee in my hand and a north wind refreshing my lungs.

Life's good!
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1079 Postby Ntxw » Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:27 am

Brent wrote:We may not hit 60 again for a very long time. Wednesdays front has trended faster here before peak heating

Until last week we hadn't even had a high below 60 since April. Crazy flip


You'll be below normal for awhile. I would watch the opening days of December, sure the core of the cold may go east a bit initially but there is enough southern stream energy that it may try something.

I'm fairly confident a sustained regime change is happening.
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Re: Texas Fall 2024

#1080 Postby Brent » Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:37 am

Ntxw wrote:
Brent wrote:We may not hit 60 again for a very long time. Wednesdays front has trended faster here before peak heating

Until last week we hadn't even had a high below 60 since April. Crazy flip


You'll be below normal for awhile. I would watch the opening days of December, sure the core of the cold may go east a bit initially but there is enough southern stream energy that it may try something.

I'm fairly confident a sustained regime change is happening.


Yeah I'm still seeing some noise on the ensembles. Obviously no big storm but any snow this early would be a big win

I'm more curious to see if the pattern reloads later in the month we'll probably have better shots then
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