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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5061 Postby orangeblood » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:40 pm

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hamburgerman7070 wrote:The pna is supposed to break down I thought, or at least trend more neutral. Like I've been saying, until the trough is further west, not very favorable for us. We still on outside looking in unfortunately.

We keep getting teased by the models breaking down the PNA, but we may just be stuck with it through the heart of winter. May take until the seasonal changes begin to take effect in mid to late Feb. 13/14 was cold and dry until late winter/early spring (that year's big early event was further north though), I witnessed an epic thundersleet storm in early March that season followed by lake effect snow the next day.


Pretty good consensus on the models the PNA is going negative...the problem is it's not the only thing we need in our favor. EPO going positive is opening the gates for Pacific air to flood the continent. Feb could get interesting if this Strat Warm event materializes, tanking the AO

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5062 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:54 pm

Orangeblood, how long do you think this warm pattern lasts? Is the mjo actually going to the warmer phases? What your thoughts
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5063 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:56 pm

We have had minor warmings and pulses, but the SSW or major SSW hasn't come to fruition yet. Not enough wave driving up the the stratosphere I suppose
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5064 Postby wxman57 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:59 pm

I saw that Levi Cowen tweeted that he has the German "ICON" model up on his Tropical Tidbits page. He says it starts 40 minutes before the GFS, runs twice a day (00Z/12Z) and takes 1 hr to complete each run. Each run goes out 180 hrs. It's not showing any snow across Texas next Tue/Wed either.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=icon&region=us&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2018011012&fh=-18&xpos=0&ypos=150
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5065 Postby Ralph's Weather » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:10 pm

hamburgerman7070 wrote:Orangeblood, how long do you think this warm pattern lasts? Is the mjo actually going to the warmer phases? What your thoughts

No chance I'm buying the warming in 10 days, that has been shown many times this winter only to be replaced by cold. Persistence is the best forecast I feel like.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5066 Postby South Texas Storms » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:14 pm

Unfortunately today's model trends have not been good if you want some frozen precip in TX next week.

We still have time for the models to flip back, but today's runs have been discouraging after a good trend the past few days.

Northwesterly flow is only good during the summer when it sends MCS activity down towards TX!
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5067 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:21 pm

hamburgerman7070 wrote:We have had minor warmings and pulses, but the SSW or major SSW hasn't come to fruition yet. Not enough wave driving up the the stratosphere I suppose


CFSv2 is hinting at potential warming late in the month and early Feb. Some -NAO showing up long range. When you have -AO/-NAO you know it is as they correlate to polar blocking via strat more than the Pacific side
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5068 Postby CaptinCrunch » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:29 pm

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A strong cold front will move through North Texas on Thursday sending temperatures plummeting into the 30s with strong north winds 20 to 30 mph. There is a chance that some snow bands could develop during the afternoon hours mainly northwest of the Metroplex. Only minor accumulations are expected with the heaviest bands. The system will move east very quickly and any precipitation would end by early evening.

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Expect quiet weather this weekend, but a reinforcement cold front on Saturday will keep North and Central Texas with below normal temperatures. Highs will be in the 40s to lower 50s Friday, mid 30s north to mid 40s south Saturday, and 40s area wide Sunday. Overnight lows will stay well below freezing both Saturday and Sunday.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5069 Postby boca » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:52 pm

Anyone notice that the satellite pics haven't updated since Monday.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5070 Postby gpsnowman » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:11 pm

Steve McCauley posted a map showing DFW in the little accumulation to one half inch for tomorrow afternoon and evening. Maybe this one will slightly over perform and drop an inch. And I am still holding out hope for next week. It looked so promising just a few hours ago and then........poof, tricked ya.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5071 Postby hamburgerman7070 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:12 pm

Ntxw, I noticed the ao and nao may go negative. If that happens, what will that lead to if you got a -pna or neutral? Also, the mjo charts haven't been updated in a while so it's difficult to tell what's going on. So many moving parts
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5072 Postby orangeblood » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:23 pm

:uarrow: MJO looks like it's moving into 3 then 4, the dreaded warm phase. Lots of convection firing up Northwest of Austrailia. Hopefully this will swing thru warm phases quickly
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5073 Postby Ralph's Weather » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:29 pm

orangeblood wrote::uarrow: MJO looks like it's moving into 3 then 4, the dreaded warm phase. Lots of convection firing up Northwest of Austrailia. Hopefully this will swing thru warm phases quickly

We may yet have to suffer through a January thaw, but we look to come out in Feb just in time for peak snow season.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5074 Postby bubba hotep » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:42 pm

12z Euro EPS still offers some hope for next week.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5075 Postby South Texas Storms » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:46 pm

bubba hotep wrote:12z Euro EPS still offers some hope for next week.


A little bit. Not as good as 0z though. Still time for better trends.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5076 Postby weatherdude1108 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:53 pm

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FXUS64 KEWX 102051
AFDEWX

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio TX
251 PM CST Wed Jan 10 2018

.SHORT TERM (Tonight through Friday Night)...
Much of the low clouds from early this morning have dissipated by
mid-afternoon with partly cloudy skies mainly along and east of
Interstate 35. Clouds have cleared out the Rio Grande area with sunny
skies expected through early Thursday morning.

A cold front currently pushing across west Texas is forecast to move
to the east this evening and overnight and then across south central
Texas on Thursday. The cold front is expected to move across the Rio
Grande and southern Edwards Plateau around 6 through 8 am Thursday,
along the I-35 corridor from 9 am through 11 am and along and east of
Highway 77 from 11 through 1 pm in the afternoon.

Patchy fog and light drizzle is expected ahead of the frontal
boundary mainly across the coastal Plains overnight/early Thursday morning.
Along the I-35 corridor and southern Edwards Plateau (basically
areas along the escarpment), MOS/LAMP guidance and forecast soundings
are suggesting areas of fog (can`t rule out areas of dense fog for
few hours) to develop overnight/early Thursday morning before the
arrival of the front/wind shift.

As the strong cold front pushes across the area on Thursday, breezy
to windy conditions are expected across the area with gusts of 30 to
40 mph.
There is a slight to low end chances for rain along and east
of Highway 77 mid morning Thursday before the cold front clears the
area.

A Wind Advisory is likely to be issued later tonight for much of the
area if model guidance continue with the windy conditions trend.

Due to the moderate to strong northwest to north winds and relative
humidity values in the low to upper 20 percent range across the
western half of south central Texas on Thursday, we will call for
elevated fire weather conditions over that region.

In the wake of the front, a dry and cold airmass will spread across
the area on Friday with lows in the lower 30s across the Hill Country
to mid 30s across the coastal Plains. Friday`s high temps in the
upper 50s to low 60s expected.

&&

.LONG TERM (Saturday through Thursday)...

The upcoming weekend will be cold as another but stronger and colder
airmass pushes across the area.
Things slowly warm up on Monday of
next week with the return of a moist and southerly flow. Chances for
rain increase late Monday into Tuesday as a weak cold front slowly
moves across the area. There are some differences with the timing of
the cold front with GFS being the slower solution versus a faster
frontal boundary output from the ECMWF. Wintry precipitation is not
out of the question across some parts of the Hill Country for this
particular period (based on latest guidance), however, many model
runs to go. Stay tuned
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5077 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:57 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:12z Euro EPS still offers some hope for next week.


A little bit. Not as good as 0z though. Still time for better trends.


Heard that before! :wink:
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5078 Postby Cpv17 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:23 pm

18z GFS doesn’t look that terrible for the southern half of the state next week.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5079 Postby Cpv17 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:34 pm

My TWC app has a high of 57 for me next Tuesday and 60 for Wednesday. GFS says we’ll be almost 20 degrees colder than that :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#5080 Postby Lagreeneyes03 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:37 pm

Ralph's Weather wrote:
hamburgerman7070 wrote:Orangeblood, how long do you think this warm pattern lasts? Is the mjo actually going to the warmer phases? What your thoughts

No chance I'm buying the warming in 10 days, that has been shown many times this winter only to be replaced by cold. Persistence is the best forecast I feel like.


I was skeptical about that big warm up-the TV mets had the 10 day forecast with mid 60's for DFW the weekend of the 20th.
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