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#3461 Postby R-Dub » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:09 pm

Since we are talking snow, here is that article from 1991 about the Dec 18th 1990 Arctic blast. I found the article the other day along with some other old weather diary stuff I had kept.

Story from the Seattle Times from January 28th, 1991
Titled "A Storm To Remember"

Memories of the Dec. 18th snowstorm are still vivid for most of us- spinning wheelsand bashed fenders, traffic gridlock and abandoned cars, bone-chilling cold.

Well, Seattle's weather forecasters also have unhappy memories. Most of Seattle's snowstorms are erratic and hard to predict. But Dec. 18th was in a class by itself and finally turned into a three-part nightmare. You'll recall the snow was expectedto be riding a push of cold arctic air from Canada. But snow began falling that morning in Seattle's north end before the arctic front had even crossed the U.S.-Canada boarder. At 2PM with the front barely at Bellingham, the snow began falling heavily between Boeing Field, in Seattle's south end, and Everett.
And finally at 6PM as expected, the arctic front pushed past Seattle, dropping a few more inches of snow. But by that time, the damage had been done. The city and areas north and east were smothered with as much as a foot of snow, and many of us were stuck far from home.
"If we could have forecast exactly when the snow was going to start, it would have spared thousands of people anguish that night" Said Brad Colman of the National Weather Service's Seattle forecast office.
Unlike most of us who are no more prepared for snow now then we were before Dec 18th, the weather service's Seattle office is developing a major program with the University of Washington to upgrade local forecasting with a special emphasis on snow. It's the nation's first such program between the weather service and the University.
"Snow is the most difficult forecasting problem" said Clifford Mass of the UW's atmospheric-sciences department. "We are doing something we never do otherwise, and that is forecasting the amount of precipitation.
"the rest of the year we forecast temperatures and the probability of rain, but we never try to tell you how many hundredths of and inch are going to fall."
Colman added "We try to hold off on estimating the amount of snow because we just don't have the skill. But as soon as snow is in the forecast, the phone begins to ring. How much? How much?"
Mass' students checked the records for snowstorms that behaved like the one on Dec 18th. They found only one in the past 40 years.
"Dec 18th was very unusual, "Mass Said. "The trouble is, a significant number of our snowstorms are very unusual. That's why we're putting so much effort into snow forecasting. "We realize it's the biggest problem we have right now."
Still, significant improvements in snow forecasting is probably years away, awaiting better monitoring equiptment and bigger computers.
The National Weather Service's forecasting center produces computer simulations of the hemisphere's weather, updated every six hours with information from satellites, weather balloons, ground stations, ships at sea and aircraft. But the weather service's main computers, among the fastest in the world, are loaded to capacity. Resolution- the smallest features the computer can see-is about 50 miles.
The computer can't see most thunderstorms. It doesn't even know about the Olympic Mountains, which often shield Seattle from ocean rainstorms but which can also set up a zone north of Seattle where converging winds can dump rain-or snow as happened early on Dec 18th.

And of course, discussions go on as to what happened on Dec 18th. Long-Range forecasts days before had seen the arctic front coming. The arrival of most such fronts produce 1-3" of snow. Then the skies clear and the temp drops. That what forecasters were expecting this time.
But snow began falling along the King-Snohomish co. line early that morning. It was the convergance zone at work. Westerly winds off the ocean were bing diverted by the Olympic mountains, some pushing though the Chehalis River Valley and then turning north over Puget Sound, and blowing through the strait of Juan de Fuca and turning South into the sound.
Were they converged between Seattle and Everett, the moist air pushed higher, cooled then produced snow. "Were were still expecting the arctic front in the evening. The snow farecast was timed for that"
But 4 miles above Seattle something was happening that was going to throw off the forecast, embarrass forecasters and cause a world of misery for working people who were hoping to get home before the snow began to fall.
An upper-level low pressure area moved over Seattle. The low pressure unloaded weight from a column of air above Seattle. Barometers at Stampede pass in the cascades, at Sea-Tac airport and at Forks near the coast all registered sharp drop in air pressure. In effect it created a "hole" that surrounding air rushed to fill in.
"Wind at Sea Tac jumped from SW 10 to SW 25 in just over an hour" Colman said. "The same thing was happening in the Strait"
The moist air rushing in from both directions colided over Seattle rose and began to produce snow.
" It was very difficult to predict, and it snowed like the dickens" Colman said.


Oh and looking at the TV guide section of the paper, this was the rundown for primetime.................
Unsolved mysterys
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#3462 Postby R-Dub » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:12 pm

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA
400 PM PST WED MAR 16 2005

.A COLD FRONT IN THE CASCADES ALONG WITH STRONG WESTERLY FLOW ALOFT
WILL BRING LOCALLY HEAVY SNOW TONIGHT. AN INTENSE PUGET SOUND
CONVERGENCE ZONE WILL ENHANCE SNOWFALL RATES IN THE CENTRAL
CASCADES. THE SNOW SHOULD TAPER OFF AFTER MIDNIGHT. THERE IS ALSO A
CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS.

WAZ017-170900-
WEST SLOPES NORTHERN CASCADES AND PASSES-
400 PM PST WED MAR 16 2005

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 1 AM PST THURSDAY..

HEAVY SNOW WILL CONTINUE TO FALL IN THE NORTH CASCADES THIS EVENING
INTO TONIGHT. A SNOWFALL SENSOR AT THE MOUNT BAKER SKI AREA RECORDED
13 NEW INCHES OF SNOW IN THE 11 HOURS ENDING AT 3 PM. ANOTHER 6 TO
10 INCHES OF SNOW IS POSSIBLE BY MIDNIGHT.

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#3463 Postby TT-SEA » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:29 pm

Yep... that was us.

We are currently at 900 feet I believe... but the house we are building is at 1,100 feet. However North Bend is only at 400 feet and it was really snowing hard down there as well.

Like I said... I-90 was a total mess.

Just took the kids to swimming lessons... less than half the normal people were there and everybody was talking about the snow. One dad walked in and said "What the hell happened... I was golfing yesterday??!!"
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#3464 Postby snow_wizzard » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:10 pm

Wow! I sure wasn't expecting snow below 1000 feet with this trough. It just goes to show a very deep trough slamming right down on us can make good things happen! Too bad it appears that the next trough will remain to the NW of us. Probably not close enough for anything really exciting, but certainly good for snow in the mountains.

It looks like TT was the lucky one. In Covington we had fairly heavy rain and some strong winds, but no snow. :x To say the least, winter had announced its return in a dramatic way!
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#3465 Postby AnthonyC » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:33 pm

Man, it's COLD outside...currently 37F with partly cloudy conditions. It's like we went from the heart of summer to the heart of winter within a 48 hour period. They say March is a big transition month...I think it's proved itself. lol.

I'm interested for this weekend's storm...although with each model run, the surface low is weaker and further north. In any event, should be great for the mountains. I still wouldn't be surprised if snow levels lowered to 1000 feet by Sunday night. I guess time will tell.

Good to see some active weather today. Two weeks of this should be awesome...but then I want the warm/sunny weather to return!! lol.

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#3466 Postby TT-SEA » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:43 pm

Actually the system for the weekend is getting too far north on the latest models.

It now looks wet and WARM. Snow levels could be ABOVE the passes.

We will get our rain... but the snow in the mountains may be lacking.
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#3467 Postby andycottle » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:47 pm

Hey Tim....that`s what I noticed in the latest runs for the weekend storm, that models kept pushing that low further and further north. -- Andy
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#3468 Postby TT-SEA » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:47 pm

The rest of the 00Z run is starting to depress me.

After a wet spell... the pattern is trying to go back to the split flow and blocking ridge again.

I hope this run is wrong.
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#3469 Postby invisible » Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:46 am

The newest model didnt make me feeling depressed. I believe that this model will be wrong. i bet that low surface will move further south on the next model. i couldnt belive how strong low surface european model has right now. It shows that we will get airctic air soon like 2 days later. I dont believe it will happen here anyway, but i hope that stuff will happen here.
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#3470 Postby snow_wizzard » Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:47 am

I am still very pleased with the latest run after day 10. The 12z ensemble mean, and the new 0z operational run are very similar. It would appear that somewhere in the 5 - 10 day time frame the profoundly negative AO and NAO will undergo a major change into positive mode. The last few runs seem to indicate that during the process there will be a brief period where minor troughing in the east and minor ridging in the west will occur. Once the AO fully goes into positive mode, the GFS shows that a VERY flat zonal flow and very active weather will dominate indefinitely. It would appear there may only be a few quiet days between the current active period and the truly wide open zonal flow. :D

Once the zonal flow really gets going, it will be fun to see where the flow first decides to buckle. If a nice offshore ridge develops we could once again see a very cold trough with thundershowers, hail, and wet snow.

Right now, I would say that enough cold air will wrap around the bottom of the of the trough, this weekend to still bring snow to the mountains. The exception could be just before the cold front comes through Saturday night or so. Another thing that could really help the passes get snow is the offshore pressure gradients that are slated for the weekend. That will give some wet bulb effect cooling.
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#3471 Postby andycottle » Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:56 am

....Yeah from looking at the 00z run of the GFS tonight, the cold trough of low pressure is now much too far North to really affect us, and is just off the far Northern tip of Vancouver Island. So instead, a 992MB low forms out near 120W on the 19th, then makes it up to near the Washington coast on the 20th for the pre dawn hours of 12z and then inland across southern Vancover Island by 18z. This is looking like a fairly WET, BREZZY, and mild system compared to previous runs as 850MB temps are near +6C, though heights still a bit low and at 1260M, but rising to near 1320M by days end. Surface pressure gradents are moderatly tight and are in a SW direction. 500MB vorticity heights also much higher and right around or at 540DM.

In the longer run....29th - April 2nd...like a good zonal flow developes. So our sunny warm dasy are stored away in mother natures closet for the next couple weeks at least...if that. -- Andy
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#3472 Postby snow_wizzard » Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:17 pm

Boy, that is surprising! It turns out that Washington State actually had a cooler winter, in relation to normal, than anywhere west of the Mississippi. We have had 25 winters that were warmer than this one in the past 110 years. Most states had one of their 20 warmest.
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#3473 Postby donsutherland1 » Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:07 pm

Snow_wizzard,

I'd be wary of assuming that the NAO will make a regime change to positive before the first 10 days of April. Indeed, the 3/17 0z run of the GFS ensembles has stepped back somewhat from the quick regime change idea.

Considering the extreme blocks that peaked in the February 15-March 15 timeframe (the 2005 block peaked on February 25), a sustained positive NAO regime typically didn’t arrive until April. 5/6 (83%) cases saw it arrive after April 1 (typically around April 5). 1/6 (17%) case saw it commence on March 24. The latest case saw its arrival delayed until April 18.

Overall, a temporary turn to positive is possible/likely this month. A sustained positive NAO is probably not likely to arrive until sometime during the first 10 days of April.
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#3474 Postby andycottle » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:12 pm

Looking at the latest GFS this afternoon, it`s still looking like a mild and very rainy Sunday as 984 to 990MB low comes up the Washington coast and then inland on the WA/CA border, which should bring some pretty breezy winds. Numorus showers presist through early part of the work week. -- Andy
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#3475 Postby AnthonyC » Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:32 pm

Not a bad day.

Partly cloudy conditions with mild temperatures...when the sun is out, it's warm.

Looks like Stevens Pass got about 12 inches of snow. Snoqualmie got about 10 inches. It's a start...but definitely not enough.

As for the weekend, each model run brings a warmer solution which isn't looking good for the mountains. One thing for sure...it's going to be WET. It could also be windy if a surface low forms off the Oregon coast and then makes landfall in northern Washington. Something to watch.

After that, a strong zonal flow develops. This could be great news for the mountains. But until the time is closer, I won't believe anything.

Say goodbye to the sunshine/very mild temperatures. They won't be around for at least the next two weeks.

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#3476 Postby Guest » Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:28 pm

You don't believe much til you see it anthony...
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#3477 Postby invisible » Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:22 pm

I believe that the mountains will get a foot of snow this weekend when the cold front comes to PNW. It should be a great news for skiers.
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#3478 Postby R-Dub » Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:31 pm

My internet access has been down since last evening, just came back on......sort of anyway, its kind of slow, and my cable modems lights are going nuts for some reason, as long as its working I don't care, was starting to have withdrawls, my work has the same cable internet access, so they were affected as well, the guys at the counter had to use the good old machine swipe card, the one where you put the credit card in, then drag the ink part over the paper, was kind of funny watching the pro shop guys trying to figure it out :lol:

Anyway was a winter type morning, rain to drizzle and back to rain again. Then about 11:00AM the clouds broke and it felt like spring once again.
Current temp as of 6:30PM 43.1 degrees under mostly cloudy skies.
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#3479 Postby AnthonyC » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:05 pm

Not much activity tonight.

There's an interesting article posted at King 5. It talks about the possibility of a megadrought that happens once every few hundred years. And the outlook for this spring is normal precip, but above normal temps.

As for this weekend, not looking too good for the mountains...esp. Snoqualmie Pass. Snow level looks to be running around 5k all day Saturday, before lowering to 3k Sunday. Hopefully Stevens can pick up a couple of feet...Snoqualmie maybe a foot.

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#3480 Postby invisible » Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:24 pm

What's up to you guys??? The forum for PNW is quiet today.
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