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AL, 93, 2016060218, , BEST, 0, 161N, 792W, 25, 1012, DB, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, , 0, , 0, 0, GENESIS004, , 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 004,
AL, 93, 2016060300, , BEST, 0, 162N, 803W, 25, 1012, DB, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, , 0, , 0, 0, GENESIS004, , 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 004,
AL, 93, 2016060306, , BEST, 0, 163N, 813W, 25, 1012, DB, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, , 0, , 0, 0, GENESIS004, , 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 004,
AL, 93, 2016060312, , BEST, 0, 164N, 824W, 25, 1012, DB, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, , 0, , 0, 0, GENESIS004, , 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 004,
AL, 93, 2016060318, , BEST, 0, 166N, 835W, 25, 1012, DB, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1014, 200, 90, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, INVEST
Thread at talking Tropics forum that was posted for this area.
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AL, 93, 2016060300, , BEST, 0, 162N, 803W, 25, 1012, DB, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, , 0, , 0, 0, GENESIS004, , 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 004,
AL, 93, 2016060306, , BEST, 0, 163N, 813W, 25, 1012, DB, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, , 0, , 0, 0, GENESIS004, , 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 004,
AL, 93, 2016060312, , BEST, 0, 164N, 824W, 25, 1012, DB, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, , 0, , 0, 0, GENESIS004, , 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, genesis-num, 004,
AL, 93, 2016060318, , BEST, 0, 166N, 835W, 25, 1012, DB, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1014, 200, 90, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, INVEST
Thread at talking Tropics forum that was posted for this area.
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ATL: COLIN - Models
Models only here.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Discussion
Invest is up now. We should get the first HWRF run in a few hours.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Discussion
Glad to see we'll have some tropical models to work with here soon. Should help provide a bit more clarity about the outlook for this disturbed weather
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Discussion
the tropical model solutions are utter garbage. This is not going to Louisiana
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models
12z Euro is coming in a little stronger, and develops it a little quicker than previous runs.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models
NDG wrote:12z Euro is coming in a little stronger.
12Z Euro is 1MB weaker and more of a NE trajectory in the Eastern Gulf with landfall between Cedar Key and Tampa.
Also the vorticity doesn't look as strong as it is getting stretched out on its approach to Florida similar to the GFS.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models
First run of the BAMS for 93L.HWRF comes later.SHIP goes up to 45kts.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models
ignore the shear forecast as its track places it within the GFS's outflow.
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* ATLANTIC SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST *
* IR SAT DATA AVAILABLE, OHC AVAILABLE *
* INVEST AL932016 06/03/16 18 UTC *
TIME (HR) 0 6 12 18 24 36 48 60 72 84 96 108 120
V (KT) NO LAND 25 26 27 29 31 35 41 43 47 46 45 45 41
V (KT) LAND 25 26 27 29 31 27 27 30 34 33 32 32 28
V (KT) LGEM 25 25 25 26 26 25 26 29 29 28 29 30 32
Storm Type TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP TROP
SHEAR (KT) 18 21 25 21 16 18 15 17 10 13 15 26 27
SHEAR ADJ (KT) 0 0 -1 0 0 0 2 7 3 7 0 4 3
SHEAR DIR 297 289 285 287 269 259 228 250 246 265 278 266 281
SST (C) 29.4 29.4 29.4 29.4 29.3 29.0 28.2 28.1 28.2 26.9 26.4 24.0 22.5
POT. INT. (KT) 159 159 159 158 156 150 139 138 141 126 123 106 98
ADJ. POT. INT. 154 155 153 151 147 137 126 127 132 117 118 103 96
200 MB T (C) -52.7 -52.3 -52.5 -52.7 -52.3 -52.0 -51.8 -52.2 -51.6 -51.6 -51.4 -51.4 -51.5
200 MB VXT (C) 0.1 0.0 0.1 0.2 0.1 0.0 0.1 0.3 0.2 0.3 0.0 0.0 0.0
TH_E DEV (C) 9 9 8 7 9 8 8 7 7 7 8 8 7
700-500 MB RH 78 81 82 83 81 84 83 80 76 66 56 53 56
MODEL VTX (KT) 7 7 9 9 10 11 13 14 15 13 LOST LOST LOST
850 MB ENV VOR 41 47 46 36 33 51 53 44 23 7 11 1 0
200 MB DIV 110 107 89 95 84 71 109 101 99 75 47 30 71
700-850 TADV 5 2 -3 -5 0 9 3 13 14 15 47 61 23
LAND (KM) 116 114 163 107 7 -98 -77 87 225 46 179 506 1029
LAT (DEG N) 16.6 16.9 17.3 17.8 18.3 19.4 20.8 22.3 24.3 26.6 29.3 31.8 34.2
LONG(DEG W) 83.5 84.7 85.8 86.8 87.6 88.4 88.3 87.1 85.2 82.7 79.0 72.4 63.5
STM SPEED (KT) 11 12 11 10 9 6 8 11 15 18 26 35 41
HEAT CONTENT 44 50 48 42 41 70 23 12 18 12 10 0 0
FORECAST TRACK FROM TABM INITIAL HEADING/SPEED (DEG/KT):280/ 10 CX,CY: -9/ 2
T-12 MAX WIND: 25 PRESSURE OF STEERING LEVEL (MB): 693 (MEAN=618)
GOES IR BRIGHTNESS TEMP. STD DEV. 50-200 KM RAD: 21.9 (MEAN=14.5)
% GOES IR PIXELS WITH T < -20 C 50-200 KM RAD: 62.0 (MEAN=65.0)
PRELIM RI PROB (DV .GE. 30 KT IN 24 HR): 6.7
INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO INTENSITY CHANGE
6 12 18 24 36 48 60 72 84 96 108 120
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SAMPLE MEAN CHANGE 1. 2. 3. 4. 6. 8. 9. 11. 11. 12. 13. 13.
SST POTENTIAL 0. 0. 0. 2. 6. 12. 18. 23. 27. 30. 32. 33.
VERTICAL SHEAR MAG 1. 1. 2. 2. 2. 1. -1. -1. -2. -4. -7. -11.
VERTICAL SHEAR ADJ 0. 0. 0. 0. 1. 0. -1. -1. -2. -2. -2. -2.
VERTICAL SHEAR DIR 0. 0. -1. -1. -2. -3. -5. -5. -5. -5. -4. -3.
PERSISTENCE 0. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. 0. 0. 0. 0.
200/250 MB TEMP. -1. -1. -1. -2. -3. -4. -4. -4. -4. -4. -5. -5.
THETA_E EXCESS 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -1.
700-500 MB RH 0. 0. -1. -1. -2. -4. -6. -8. -9. -9. -8. -7.
MODEL VTX TENDENCY 0. 1. 1. 2. 2. 5. 6. 7. 4. 1. 0. -1.
850 MB ENV VORTICITY 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 1. 1. 1. 1. 0. 0. 0.
200 MB DIVERGENCE 0. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 2. 0. -1. -3.
850-700 T ADVEC 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 1. 1. 2. 2.
ZONAL STORM MOTION 0. 0. 0. 0. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 1.
STEERING LEVEL PRES 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1.
DAYS FROM CLIM. PEAK 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1.
GOES PREDICTORS 0. 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -2. -1. -1. -1.
OCEAN HEAT CONTENT 0. 0. 0. 0. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1. -1.
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TOTAL CHANGE 1. 2. 4. 6. 10. 16. 18. 22. 21. 20. 20. 16.
CURRENT MAX WIND (KT): 25. LAT, LON: 16.6 83.5
** 2015 ATLANTIC RI INDEX AL932016 INVEST 06/03/16 18 UTC **
(SHIPS-RII PREDICTOR TABLE for 30 KT OR MORE MAXIMUM WIND INCREASE IN NEXT 24-h)
Predictor Value RI Predictor Range Scaled Value(0-1) % Contribution
12 HR PERSISTENCE (KT): 0.0 -49.5 to 33.0 0.60 999.0
850-200 MB SHEAR (KT) : 20.1 28.8 to 2.9 0.34 999.0
HEAT CONTENT (KJ/cm2) : 45.0 0.0 to 155.1 0.29 999.0
STD DEV OF IR BR TEMP : 21.9 37.5 to 2.9 0.45 999.0
2nd PC OF IR BR TEMP : 9999.0 2.8 to -3.1 999.00 999.0
MAXIMUM WIND (kt) : 25.0 22.5 to 121.0 0.07 999.0
D200 (10**7s-1) : 97.0 -23.1 to 181.5 0.59 999.0
POT = MPI-VMAX (KT) : 127.1 28.4 to 139.1 0.89 999.0
% AREA WITH TPW <45 mm: 0.0 100.0 to 0.0 1.00 999.0
BL DRY-AIR FLUX (w/m2): -19.6 960.3 to -67.1 0.95 999.0
SHIPS Prob RI for 20kt/ 12hr RI threshold= 999% is 999.0 times sample mean ( 5.5%)
SHIPS Prob RI for 25kt/ 24hr RI threshold= 999% is 999.0 times sample mean (11.6%)
SHIPS Prob RI for 30kt/ 24hr RI threshold= 999% is 999.0 times sample mean ( 7.2%)
SHIPS Prob RI for 35kt/ 24hr RI threshold= 999% is 999.0 times sample mean ( 4.2%)
SHIPS Prob RI for 40kt/ 24hr RI threshold= 999% is 999.0 times sample mean ( 2.8%)
SHIPS Prob RI for 45kt/ 36hr RI threshold= 999% is 999.0 times sample mean ( 4.9%)
SHIPS Prob RI for 55kt/ 48hr RI threshold= 999% is 999.0 times sample mean ( 5.1%)
Matrix of RI probabilities
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RI (kt / h) | 20/12 | 25/24 | 30/24 | 35/24 | 40/24 | 45/36 | 55/48
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SHIPS-RII: 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0%
Logistic: 2.8% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 0.0% 2.4% 6.3%
Bayesian: 0.1% 999.0% 999.0% 0.1% 0.0% 999.0% 999.0%
Consensus: 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0% 999.0%
## ANNULAR HURRICANE INDEX (AHI) AL932016 INVEST 06/03/16 18 UTC ##
## STORM NOT ANNULAR, SCREENING STEP FAILED, NPASS=3 NFAIL=4 ##
## AHI= 0 (AHI OF 100 IS BEST FIT TO ANN. STRUC., 1 IS MARGINAL, 0 IS NOT ANNULAR) ##
** PROBLTY OF AT LEAST 1 SCNDRY EYEWL FORMTN EVENT AL932016 INVEST 06/03/2016 18 UTC **
TIME(HR) 0-12 12-24(0-24) 24-36(0-36) 36-48(0-48)
CLIMO(%) 0 0( 0) 0( 0) 0( 0) <-- PROB BASED ON INTENSITY ONLY
PROB(%) 0 0( 0) 0( 0) 0( 0) PC4 UNAVAIL...MODEL SKILL DEGRADED
** DSHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST ADJUSTED RELATIVE TO ONSET OF ERC WEAKENING PHASE **
TIME (HR) 0 6 12 18 24 36 48 60 72 84 96 108 120
>24HR AGO (DSHIPS) 25 26 27 29 31 27 27 30 34 33 32 32 28
18HR AGO 25 24 25 27 29 25 25 28 32 31 30 30 26
12HR AGO 25 22 21 23 25 21 21 24 28 27 26 26 22
6HR AGO 25 19 16 15 17 DIS DIS DIS DIS DIS DIS DIS DIS
NOW CURRENT INTENSITY < 83 KT
IN 6HR INTENSITY IN 6HR < 83 KT
IN 12HR INTENSITY IN 12HR < 83 KT
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Discussion
This forecast is about as straightforward as they get for a disturbance. North to the Gulf then NE to a bit north of Tampa, with landfall of a sheared TS on Tuesday morning. Main threat is heavy rain across Florida. could be a small area of 35-40 kt winds, but average onshore flow 20-30 kts.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Discussion
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models
Feels weird to get model runs like this in June... Looks like something we would see in September or October. Looking at that spaghetti plot, my first thought was "Wilma".
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Discussion
wxman57 wrote:This forecast is about as straightforward as they get for a disturbance. North to the Gulf then NE to a bit north of Tampa, with landfall of a sheared TS on Tuesday morning. Main threat is heavy rain across Florida. could be a small area of 35-40 kt winds, but average onshore flow 20-30 kts.
What are you thinking about for tornadoes in the southern half of the state? Looking at a 50+ kt LLJ in the models.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models
Evil Jeremy wrote:Feels weird to get model runs like this in June... Looks like something we would see in September or October. Looking at that spaghetti plot, my first thought was "Wilma".
The no-show persistent -NAO has finally become negative a is causing a deep trough to carve out over the Eastern U.S.
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ATL: COLIN - Recon
First mission if needed is on Saturday afternoon.
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NOUS42 KNHC 031613
REPRPD
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
1215 PM EDT FRI 03 JUNE 2016
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID 04/1100Z TO 05/1100Z JUNE 2016
TCPOD NUMBER.....16-008
I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. SUSPECT AREA (NORTHWEST CARIBBEAN)
FLIGHT ONE -- TEAL 71
A. 04/1800Z
B. AFXXX 01BBA INVEST
C. 04/1500Z
D. 18.0N 87.5W
E. 04/1730Z TO 04/2130Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT
2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY: BEGIN 6-HRLY FIXES AT 05/1800Z
NEAR 22.5N 88.0W IF SYSTEM DEVELOPS AND REMAINS A THREAT
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Discussion
The 18z plot with some surface observations in the area.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Discussion
SST's are plenty warm in the entire Gulf of Mexico.
At the beach right now and the water literally feels like a huge bath tub! Has to be a degree or two above normal for this time of year on the SE FL Coast. Any warmer and it would be too uncomfortable to swim in for too long.
At the beach right now and the water literally feels like a huge bath tub! Has to be a degree or two above normal for this time of year on the SE FL Coast. Any warmer and it would be too uncomfortable to swim in for too long.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Discussion
TheStormExpert wrote:SST's are plenty warm in the entire Gulf of Mexico.
At the beach right now and the water literally feels like a huge bath tub! Has to be a degree or two above normal for this time of year on the SE FL Coast. Any warmer and it would be too uncomfortable to swim in for too long.
sst's not the issue with this setup...shear will be..enjoy the rain/tornado event folks
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Re: ATL: INVEST 93L - Models
gatorcane wrote:NDG wrote:12z Euro is coming in a little stronger.
12Z Euro is 1MB weaker and more of a NE trajectory in the Eastern Gulf with landfall between Cedar Key and Tampa.
Also the vorticity doesn't look as strong as it is getting stretched out on its approach to Florida similar to the GFS.
What I am seeing is stronger than last night's run, it even shows stronger winds for the FL Peninsula, through wunderground site.
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