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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#21 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:32 am

Tropical Depression Four-E Discussion Number 2
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP042023
800 AM PDT Fri Jul 21 2023

Convection associated with Tropical Depression Four-E has persisted
overnight and into this morning. However, the convective pattern is
one of a strongly sheared system, with cold echo tops only over the
eastern side of the system. In the last few hours, Proxy-vis
satellite imagery shows that the low-level center has become exposed
near the western edge of the convection. Subjective Dvorak satellite
estimates from TAFB and SAB were T2.5 and T2.0, respectively. Given
the current structure with the low-level center becoming exposed,
and the subjective satellite estimates, the initial intensity for
this advisory remains at 30 kt.

The depression continues to be in an environment of strong
upper-level westerly wind shear of 25 to 30 knots, which has exposed
the low-level center, and displaced the convection to the east. The
system will be crossing the 25 degree C isotherm later today, with
cooler SSTs remaining along the forecast track. Given these marginal
conditions, it is likely the depression will be short-lived, with
the system becoming a remnant low later this weekend, and
dissipating by 60 hours. However, some models suggest it could
weaken and dissipate sooner.

The system is moving west-northwestward at 11 kt. A ridge centered
over the southwestern United States should continue to steer the
depression on this general heading and speed for the next day or
so. Afterward, the shallow remnant low is expected to turn more
westward in the low-level flow. The NHC track forecast lies near
the previous forecast, which is near the center of the consensus
aids.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 21/1500Z 15.2N 123.6W 30 KT 35 MPH
12H 22/0000Z 15.9N 125.4W 30 KT 35 MPH
24H 22/1200Z 16.5N 127.6W 30 KT 35 MPH
36H 23/0000Z 16.8N 129.7W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
48H 23/1200Z 17.0N 131.7W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
60H 24/0000Z...DISSIPATED

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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E - Tropical Depression - Discussion

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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#23 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:23 pm

EP, 04, 2023072118, , BEST, 0, 156N, 1244W, 30, 1007, TD
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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E - Tropical Depression - Discussion

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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#25 Postby Hurricane2022 » Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:10 pm


That's not TS Chris '06?
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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#26 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:45 pm

Tropical Depression Four-E Discussion Number 3
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP042023
200 PM PDT Fri Jul 21 2023

Tropical Depression Four is currently struggling to produce deep
convection within a highly sheared environment. Convection has waned
since this morning, with cloud tops continuing to warm this
afternoon. The low-level center has also become more exposed with
remaining convection to the east of the center. Subjective and
objective Dvorak satellite estimates from TAFB, SAB, and CIMMS ADT
and AiDT range from 25 to 35 knots. Given the current structure, a
blend of satellite estimates and recent visible satellite trends
yields an initial intensity of 30 kt for this advisory.

The depression continues to be in an environment of strong
upper-level westerly wind shear. The system has crossed into
cooler sea surface temperatures as well, with SSTs continuing to
cool along the forecast track. Given these parameters it is likely
the depression will gradually weaken, becoming a remnant low by
tomorrow, and dissipating by 60 hours.

The system is moving west-northwestward at 12 kt. A ridge centered
over the southwestern United States should continue to steer the
depression on this general heading and speed for the next 24 hours.
Afterward, the shallow remnant low is expected to turn more westward
in the low-level flow. The NHC track forecast lies near the
previous forecast track.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 21/2100Z 15.8N 124.9W 30 KT 35 MPH
12H 22/0600Z 16.4N 126.6W 30 KT 35 MPH
24H 22/1800Z 17.0N 128.8W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
36H 23/0600Z 17.4N 130.8W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
48H 23/1800Z 17.7N 132.8W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
60H 24/0600Z...DISSIPATED

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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E - Tropical Depression - Discussion

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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#28 Postby cycloneye » Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:42 pm

Limping.

BULLETIN
Tropical Depression Four-E Advisory Number 4
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP042023
800 PM PDT Fri Jul 21 2023

...POORLY ORGANIZED DEPRESSION LIMPING ACROSS THE TROPICAL
EASTERN PACIFIC...


SUMMARY OF 800 PM PDT...0300 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...16.1N 126.8W
ABOUT 1195 MI...1925 KM WSW OF THE SOUTHERN TIP OF BAJA CALIFORNIA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 MPH...55 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 285 DEGREES AT 15 MPH...24 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1007 MB...29.74 INCHES


Tropical Depression Four-E Discussion Number 4
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP042023
800 PM PDT Fri Jul 21 2023

This evening's satellite presentation consists of a rapidly
deteriorating cloud pattern and the depression's less-defined
and exposed surface circulation; effects of belligerent
west-southwesterly shear. The initial wind speed is kept at 30 kt
and is supported by the latest Dvorak intensity estimates from TAFB
and SAB. A slow spin-down is anticipated as it continues its trek
over cooler water and moves into a stable, drier air mass as
evidenced by the stratocumulus marine layer ahead of the system.
Most of the guidance indicates organized, deep convection will
cease tomorrow, and the NHC forecast specifies the cyclone
degenerating to a remnant low at that time.

The depression's initial motion is estimated to be
west-northwestward, or 285/13 kt. A mid-level ridge anchored to
the north and northwest of the depression should result in a
west-northwestward to westward track during the next couple of
days. The official forecast has been adjusted slightly to the
south of the previous one and follows the latest HFIP Corrected
consensus and TVCE multi-model solutions.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 22/0300Z 16.1N 126.8W 30 KT 35 MPH
12H 22/1200Z 16.5N 128.5W 30 KT 35 MPH
24H 23/0000Z 17.0N 130.6W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
36H 23/1200Z 17.3N 132.5W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
48H 24/0000Z...DISSIPATED

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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E - Tropical Depression - Discussion

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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E - Tropical Depression - Discussion

#30 Postby cycloneye » Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:55 am

Tropical Depression Four-E Discussion Number 5
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP042023
200 AM PDT Sat Jul 22 2023

The depression lost all of its deep convection several hours ago as
strong west-southwesterly shear has continued to disrupt the system.
Recently, a few small cells have formed about 100 miles from the
center. The initial intensity is held at 30 kt for this advisory
based on a blend of subjective satellite estimates and an offset
ASCAT-C pass containing several 20-25 kt observations. However, it
seems likely the depression will degenerate into a remnant low later
today.

The cyclone is moving west-northwestward at 13 kt. This general
motion should continue due to the steering flow from a mid-level
ridge to the north and northwest of the depression. The NHC
forecast has been updated with minor adjustments to the north of
the previous advisory and lies close to, though a little faster
than, the various consensus aids.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 22/0900Z 16.6N 128.2W 30 KT 35 MPH
12H 22/1800Z 17.0N 129.8W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
24H 23/0600Z 17.4N 131.8W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
36H 23/1800Z 17.6N 133.9W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
48H 24/0600Z...DISSIPATED

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Re: EPAC: FOUR-E - Post-Tropical - Discussion

#31 Postby cycloneye » Sat Jul 22, 2023 9:37 am

Sayonara.

Post-Tropical Cyclone Four-E Discussion Number 6
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL EP042023
800 AM PDT Sat Jul 22 2023

The depression has been devoid of deep convection near its center
since yesterday as it continues to deal with strong
west-southwesterly shear, and drier mid-level air. What little
convection remains is well displaced from the center. The Dvorak
satellite estimate from TAFB was that the system is too weak to
classify. Given the satellite trends, the depression has degenerated
into a remnant low with an intensity set at 25 kt.

The remnant low is moving west-northwestward at 11 kt. This general
motion should continue due to the steering flow from a low-
to mid-level ridge to the north and northwest of the system.
Gradual weakening will continue over the next 24 hours, before the
system opens up into a trough tomorrow.

This is the final NHC advisory for this system. For additional
information on the remnant low, please see the High Seas Forecasts
issued by the National Weather Service can be found under AWIPS
header NFDHSFEPI, WMO header FZPN02 KWBC, and on the web at
ocean.weather.gov/shtml/NFDHSFEPI.php

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 22/1500Z 17.0N 129.4W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
12H 23/0000Z 17.4N 131.0W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
24H 23/1200Z 17.6N 133.0W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
36H 24/0000Z...DISSIPATED

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