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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#101 Postby al78 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:49 pm

Hammy wrote:
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Another thing about 2020 that keeps getting lost: not all cat 1 hurricanes are alike. True, Marco and Nana barely got there, and Isaias was a messy storm ... but remember how Hanna looked at landfall? Only reason she didn't strengthen above 90 mph was that she ran out of water. With just a few more hours over water she would have easily hit cat 2 and could have made a run at major status.

That said, I'd say 2005 and 2020 are only similar seasons if you exclude July 2005. Two cat 4+ storms before August is simply too much for this season to beat unless the basin pumps out a whole lot of long-lived majors in Sept/Oct. I'd want to see a definite cat 5 from this year (though hopefully out at sea!) before trying to make any comparisons.


The only comparison with 2005 is the number of storms, and that storms have struggled in the MDR. 2020 is so far a failed attempt to replicate 2005. By this time in 2005 we'd had two category 5 hurricanes, one which was one of the most destructive to the U.S. on record. This year so far we have had one major, Laura, which was not as bad as feared, a handful of minimal hurricanes, and a load of storms that have struggled to develop. Things can easily ramp up in the coming weeks and there is another wave coming off Africa which has a high probability of developing into Sally, so it is not over until it's over, but I find the comparison with 2005 rather inappropriate. Just compare ACE, hurricane days, major hurricane days to date.

Lets see what happens as we move into October when storms tend to form and intensify in the Caribbean and Gulf. If we get some rapidly intensifying monsters I would agree more with a 2005 comparison. In 2005 storms tended to intensify into powerful hurricanes in the west side of the basin, which was unfortunate for the Gulf states.


I would hardly say Laura was "not as bad as feared." You had Cat 4 damage well into Lake Charles, and the coastal communities were wiped out. Nobody reasonably expected a Cat 5 and in fact it came in much stronger than had been forecast.


Laura wasn't as bad as feared from a storm surge perspective. The surge was lower than feared, which does make a difference to the death and destruction, surge and drowning being the primary cause of death and destruction in hurricanes. Laura was certainly no Katrina, I expect it will turn out to be about as costly as you would normally expect from a cat 4 landfall. Obviously for those communities hit by the core winds, the wind and surge damage will be extreme.
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#102 Postby plasticup » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:54 pm

Sorry to disrupt this Laura discussion with Rene talk but I think it is hilarious that Bermuda is under the gun once again. There is a non-trivial chance that our 20 square miles sees Pauline, Rene, and Sally in the same week.
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#103 Postby Sciencerocks » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:26 pm

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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#104 Postby us89 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:50 pm

Down to 45 mph:

...RENE CONTINUES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD OVER THE TROPICAL ATLANTIC...


SUMMARY OF 1100 PM AST...0300 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...19.3N 37.6W
ABOUT 925 MI...1485 KM WNW OF THE CABO VERDE ISLANDS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...45 MPH...75 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 290 DEGREES AT 12 MPH...19 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1002 MB...29.59 INCHES
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#105 Postby TheStormExpert » Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:03 am

There’s still a pulse! :lol:
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#106 Postby abajan » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:19 am

TheStormExpert wrote:There’s still a pulse! :lol:

It's almost totally devoid of convection this morning. On looking at the latest satellite imagery, I was wondering if there was still a Rene!
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#107 Postby aspen » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:31 am

I really think the NHC and the models are overestimating Rene and its future intensity. The NHC is constantly saying shear should be lowering, but Rene continues to get the crap beaten out of it, and shear will get higher once again after 48 hours or so. I don’t see Rene strengthening much or surviving long enough to have an impact on 95L/Sally based on how poorly he’s done.
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#108 Postby TheStormExpert » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:44 am

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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#109 Postby Buck » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:54 am

Well the LLC is thriving now that all that pesky convection has been blown away lol.
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#110 Postby TheStormExpert » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:01 am

No hurricane coming from this that’s for sure!
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#111 Postby us89 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:12 am

All those models that were showing Rene getting much stronger than Paulette...whoops
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#112 Postby TheStormExpert » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:28 am

abajan wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:There’s still a pulse! :lol:

It's almost totally devoid of convection this morning. On looking at the latest satellite imagery, I was wondering if there was still a Rene!

Probably a remnant low now. No limited convection which is disorganized.
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#113 Postby StPeteMike » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:39 am

Put a fork in it!
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#114 Postby TheStormExpert » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:53 am

The NHC 11am advisory discussion sounds quite uncertain! :lol:

Rene lost essentially all of its deep convection over the past
several hours, however recently some new thunderstorms have
developed over the western part of the circulation. The cause of
the system's decline is not clear. One negative environmental
factor could be dry air, since the SHIPS output based on the GFS
model shows mid-level relative humidities of 50-55 percent. Using a
blend of Dvorak current intensity estimates from TAFB and SAB along
with objective ADT values from UW-CIMSS gives a rather uncertain
advisory intensity of 35 kt.

The NHC forecast is above most of the
intensity guidance.
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#115 Postby TheStormExpert » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:54 am

StPeteMike wrote:Put a fork in it!

Likely will be bringing out Bones later today it trends continue.
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#116 Postby SconnieCane » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:06 am

That's as epic a collapse as Don '11 as it approached Texas...only out in the middle of the ocean! Now you see it, now you don't! :double:
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#117 Postby aspen » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:13 am

It’s like Rene just got snapped away. He really doesn’t feel so good...
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#118 Postby Cat5James » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:17 am

This must have implications on the future impacts "or lack thereof" on the track of 95L
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#119 Postby HurricaneEnzo » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:22 am

Doesn't look like waters are particularly warm where Rene is at. And Paulette was in that general area a short time ago. Could Paulette have stirred up cooler waters in Rene's current position or was her track too far away? Upwelling plus marginal temps as they were could be causing issues. IDK just spitballing.
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Re: ATL: RENE - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#120 Postby EquusStorm » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:04 pm

Upwelling is indeed at least Papin's reasoning for the epic collapse.

 https://twitter.com/pppapin/status/1304406453114077185


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