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Re: WPAC: KULAP - Tropical Storm (17W)

#21 Postby euro6208 » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:14 am

WTPN31 PGTW 070900
MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVMARFCSTCEN PEARL HARBOR HI/JTWC//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING//
RMKS/
1. TROPICAL STORM 17W (KULAP) WARNING NR 001
02 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONES IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
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WARNING POSITION:
070600Z --- NEAR 21.8N 135.7E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 010 DEGREES AT 05 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 060 NM
POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 035 KT, GUSTS 045 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
REPEAT POSIT: 21.8N 135.7E
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FORECASTS:
12 HRS, VALID AT:
071800Z --- 22.8N 135.8E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 045 KT, GUSTS 055 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 025 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
025 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 340 DEG/ 05 KTS
---
24 HRS, VALID AT:
080600Z --- 23.8N 135.4E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 055 KT, GUSTS 070 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 025 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
020 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
020 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
020 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
035 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 305 DEG/ 06 KTS
---
36 HRS, VALID AT:
081800Z --- 24.5N 134.3E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 060 KT, GUSTS 075 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 025 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
025 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 050 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
050 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 295 DEG/ 08 KTS
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EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
48 HRS, VALID AT:
090600Z --- 25.2N 132.7E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 065 KT, GUSTS 080 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 030 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
030 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
030 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
030 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 065 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
065 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 290 DEG/ 10 KTS
---
72 HRS, VALID AT:
100600Z --- 26.5N 128.6E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 070 KT, GUSTS 085 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 025 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
020 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
020 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
025 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 090 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
085 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
085 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
090 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 285 DEG/ 08 KTS
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LONG RANGE OUTLOOK:
---
96 HRS, VALID AT:
110600Z --- 27.2N 125.2E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 075 KT, GUSTS 090 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
VECTOR TO 120 HR POSIT: 275 DEG/ 06 KTS
---
120 HRS, VALID AT:
120600Z --- 27.4N 122.4E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 070 KT, GUSTS 085 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
REMARKS:
070900Z POSITION NEAR 22.1N 135.7E.
TROPICAL STORM (TS) 17W (KULAP), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 510 NM EAST-
SOUTHEAST OF KADENA AIR BASE, JAPAN, HAS TRACKED NORTHWARD AT 05
KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS. ANIMATED MULTISPECTRAL IMAGERY SHOWS
A SMALL, DENSE, AND TIGHTLY ORGANIZED SYSTEM UNDERGOING RAPID
DEVELOPMENT.
A 062356Z PARTIAL ASCAT IMAGE VERIFIES THE SMALL SIZE
OF THE SYSTEM, DEPICTING WINDS BELOW 25 KNOTS WITHIN 50 NM OF THE
LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC). SYSTEM DIAMETER IS ESTIMATED AT
200 NM. A 37GHZ 071058Z TRMM IMAGE CAPTURES THE TIGHT CONSOLIDATION
OF THE SYSTEM, SHOWING TIGHTLY CURVED BANDING WRAPPING INTO THE
LLCC. THE SCATTERING FREQUENCIES ALSO CAPTURE THE INTENSITY AND
DEPTH OF CONVECTION OVER THE SYSTEM CENTER. ANIMATED WATER VAPOR
IMAGERY INDICATES A DEVELOPING POLEWARD OUTFLOW CHANNEL OVER THE
NORTHEAST QUADRANT, AND DECREASING SUBSIDENCE OVER THE NORTHWEST
QUADRANT. EQUATORWARD OUTFLOW IS ALSO IMPROVING. RECENT IMAGERY
SUGGESTS THAT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE POLEWARD CHANNEL, WHICH WILL
LIKELY BY SHORT-LIVED, THE SYSTEM IS DEVELOPING RADIAL OUTFLOW AND
ANNULAR CHARACTERISTICS.
THE 070000Z PGTW UPPER LEVEL STREAMLINE
ANALYSIS REVEALS GOOD EXHAUST OVER THE LLCC, AND TOTAL PRECIPITABLE
WATER LOOPS REVEAL INCREASING SATURATION OF THE ENVIRONMENT
SURROUNDING THE STORM. VERTICAL WIND SHEAR IS 10 TO 15 KNOTS AND SEA
SURFACE TEMPERATURES IN THE REGION ARE 28 TO 29 DEGREES. THE SMALL
SIZE OF THE SYSTEM IS MAKING DVORAK ASSESSMENTS LESS REPRESENTATIVE
OF THE TRUE INTENSITY.
THE CURRENT INTENSITY ANALYSIS IS BASED ON
THE MICROWAVE SIGNATURE FROM THE AFOREMENTIONED TRMM IMAGE AND A
PGTW DVORAK ASSESSMENT OF 35 KNOTS. THE STEERING FORCE FOR TS 17W IS
AN ANTICYCLONE EMBEDDED IN THE NEAR EQUATORIAL RIDGE (NER) SOUTHEAST
OF THE SYSTEM, WHICH IS PROVIDING A GENTLE NUDGE POLEWARD. A MAJOR
CHANGE IN THE SYNOPTIC PATTERN OVER THE WESTERN PACIFIC THAT WILL
AFFECT THE TRACK OF TS 17W IS TAKING PLACE. A DEEP TROUGH MOVING
OVER HONSHU IS BREAKING DOWN THE OMEGA BLOCK, AND AS IT DOES SO, THE
SUBTROPICAL RIDGE WILL RETROGRADE SOUTHWEST RAPIDLY, BUILDING OVER
THE BONIN ISLANDS AND THE RYUKUS. WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS, TS 17W
WILL LEAVE THE INFLUENCE OF THE NER AND GET PICKED UP BY THE
SUBTROPICAL RIDGE, MAKING A SHARP TURN TO THE WEST. DUE TO THE SMALL
SIZE AND RAPID DEVELOPMENT OF TS 17W, MODEL GUIDANCE HAS NOT CAUGHT
UP WITH THE SYSTEM YET. THE JTWC FORECAST CALLS FOR INITIAL
INTENSIFICATION AT A GREATER THAN CLIMATOLOGICAL RATE ALONG THE
POLEWARD TRACK, AND THEN, IN ANTICIPATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN
ANNULAR STORM, A STABLE RATE ALONG THE WESTWARD LEG.
THIS WARNING
SUPERSEDES AND CANCELS REF A, NAVMARFCSTCEN 070151Z SEP 11 TROPICAL
CYCLONE FORMATION ALERT (WTPN21 PGTW 070200 ) MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT
WAVE HEIGHT AT 070600Z IS 11 FEET. NEXT WARNINGS AT 071500Z,
072100Z, 080300Z AND 080900Z.//
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wow!!! okinawa again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


a rapidly developing tropical cyclone!
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#22 Postby KWT » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:48 am

Very interesting to see how agressive the JTWC wording actually is.

The only thing you have to hope is that turn is too sharp and instead it bends further north.
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Re: WPAC: KULAP - Tropical Storm (17W)

#23 Postby Infdidoll » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:54 am

I'm not kidding. I checked the weather models, last night, as I always do. Didn't look like anything to be concerned about. Then I just got a message from Storming asking if I'd seen the typhoon forecast. I was about ready to call him a few choice names because back in May, Songda knocked out our satellite. So many satellite dishes were destroyed the BX was out of them the whole summer and we were on a waiting list. We FINALLY got one and got it installed YESTERDAY!!! Almost 4 months with no TV...Well, it was nice to have our whole 8 channels while it lasted. *sigh*

:ggreen: Haven't seen one intensify THIS fast in a while...but I was just noting today how it is prime storm weather here in Oki, right now. So hot you can't bear to be outside, pop-up thunderstorms with soaring cloud tops, funnel clouds...conditions here are perfect for some nasty weather and healthy TC environment.
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#24 Postby Typhoon Hunter » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:09 am

Yeah the intensity forecast from JMA does puzzle me since it seems to be in a ripe environment - but then again we know that JMA are hopeless when it comes to anything regarding intensity :lol:

Small system so it's really managed to wrap up quickly. Indeed KWT that JTWC wording really is bullish, especially in regards to it becoming annular. Is it even possible to forecast storms becoming annular? This is an area I know very little about.
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Re: WPAC: KULAP - Tropical Storm (17W)

#25 Postby StormingB81 » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:31 am

Infdidoll wrote:I'm not kidding. I checked the weather models, last night, as I always do. Didn't look like anything to be concerned about. Then I just got a message from Storming asking if I'd seen the typhoon forecast. I was about ready to call him a few choice names because back in May, Songda knocked out our satellite. So many satellite dishes were destroyed the BX was out of them the whole summer and we were on a waiting list. We FINALLY got one and got it installed YESTERDAY!!! Almost 4 months with no TV...Well, it was nice to have our whole 8 channels while it lasted. *sigh*

:ggreen: Haven't seen one intensify THIS fast in a while...but I was just noting today how it is prime storm weather here in Oki, right now. So hot you can't bear to be outside, pop-up thunderstorms with soaring cloud tops, funnel clouds...conditions here are perfect for some nasty weather and healthy TC environment.



so mean with a few choise names...lol
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#26 Postby Chacor » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:46 am

So, had a look at the main forecasts, and wrote this up. It really amazes me how JMA and JTWC are totally opposite to each other on this, both track and intensity wise.

Western North Pacific Tropical Cyclone 20
International designation: KULAP 1114
United States designation: 17W

A tropical storm has formed east-southeast of Okinawa.
Interests in Okinawa and the Ryukyu Islands should monitor the progress of this storm.

At 0900 UTC or 6 pm JST, the Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA) has Kulap centred with a fair degree of confidence at 21.8 N, 135.4 E. There is disagreement with the Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC) position of 22.1 N, 135.7 E by about 50 kilometres or 30 miles.
Microwave imagery from WindSAT at 0903 UTC appears to indicate an apparent centre near 21.9 N, 135.6 E. This location is about 930 kilometres, or 580 miles, east-southeast of Naha, Okinawa Prefecture.

At 0900 UTC, the JMA initialised Kulap as a 35-knot tropical storm. The JTWC did likewise, but indicated in its discussion that Kulap's small size is making Dvorak satellite intensity estimates less accurate. Current Dvorak estimates range from T2.0 from JMA to T2.5 from the U.S. NOAA Satellite Analysis Branch. With an improved appearance on microwave satellite imagery and pockets of deep convection colder than -80C showing on the infrared imagery, 35 knots could be a conservative estimate.

The intensity forecast is troubling. Despite Kulap exhibiting signs of developing good poleward and equatorward outflow channels, the JMA does not forecast Kulap to intensify beyond a paltry 40 knots. This is in stark contrast to the JTWC, which calls for intensification at an above-climatological rate, peaking at 75 knots very close to, or over, Okinawa as it approaches from the east. With high sea-surface temperatures, relatively moist air and moderate to low vertical wind shear, it would seem prudent to err on the side of the JTWC forecast.

Both the JMA and JTWC agree that a northwest turn will occur in the next few days, but strongly disagree over the speed of it. At the 72 hour forecast point, the JMA has the storm at 26.2 N, 133.0 E, about 440 kilometres or 275 miles east of the JTWC forecast point which is over Okinawa. It appears the JMA forecast does not have Kulap getting picked up by the subtropical ridge, which the JTWC forecasts to sweep down to the southwest over the Ryukyu Islands. Additionally, the JTWC discussion notes that model guidance is weak on Kulap due to its small size and sudden development.

If the JTWC forecast pans out, Okinawa is likely to experience tropical storm-force winds beginning about Friday evening or early Saturday morning.

At 6 pm JST, Kulap located 930 km/580 mi east-southeast of Naha, with winds of at least 65 km/h or 40 mph near its centre, with higher gusts. The estimated minimum central pressure, as reported by JMA, is 1000 hPa.

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#27 Postby Chacor » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:06 am

This is the NWS Guam public advisory, based on the JTWC forecast:

WTPQ31 PGUM 070933
TCPPQ1

BULLETIN
TROPICAL STORM 17W ADVISORY NUMBER 1
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TIYAN GU WP172011
800 PM CHST WED SEP 7 2011

...TROPICAL STORM 17W FORMS IN THE PHILIPPINE SEA...

NO WATCHES OR WARNINGS ARE IN EFFECT.

AT 700 PM CHST...0900Z...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM 17W WAS
LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 22.1 DEGREES NORTH AND LONGITUDE 135.7 DEGREES
EAST. THIS IS ABOUT 815 MILES NORTHWEST OF SAIPAN AND 845 MILES
NORTHWEST OF GUAM.

TROPICAL STORM 17W IS MOVING NORTHWARD AT 6 MPH AND IS EXPECTED TO
TURN TO THE NORTHWEST WITH LITTLE CHANGE IN FORWARD SPEED OVER THE
NEXT 24 HOURS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NOW 40 MPH. TROPICAL STORM 17W IS
EXPECTED TO INTENSIFY DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

REPEATING THE 700 PM POSITION...22.1 DEGREES NORTH LATITUDE AND
135.7 DEGREES EAST LONGITUDE...MOVING NORTH AT 6 MPH WITH MAXIMUM
SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR 40 MPH.

THE NEXT SCHEDULED ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL WEATHER
SERVICE AT 2 AM THURSDAY.

$$

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#28 Postby Typhoon Hunter » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:09 am

Nice write up there Chacor! I have a feeling this storm is going to cause a few of the agencies a big headache!
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#29 Postby Chacor » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:11 am

JMA 1200 UTC SAREP: 22.38 N, 135.72 E, moving 020° at 5.14 m/s, satellite estimate T2.0

What that potential new centre from JMA tells me is that they've placed the centre near the northernmost edge of the central convective cloud.
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#30 Postby Chacor » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:56 am

WTPQ20 RJTD 071200
RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVISORY
NAME TS 1114 KULAP (1114)
ANALYSIS
PSTN 071200UTC 22.2N 135.5E FAIR
MOVE N SLOWLY
PRES 1000HPA
MXWD 035KT
GUST 050KT
30KT 120NM
FORECAST
24HF 081200UTC 23.8N 134.1E 70NM 70%
MOVE NW SLOWLY
PRES 996HPA
MXWD 040KT
GUST 060KT
48HF 091200UTC 25.2N 132.5E 110NM 70%
MOVE NW SLOWLY
PRES 996HPA
MXWD 040KT
GUST 060KT
72HF 101200UTC 26.8N 130.7E 160NM 70%
MOVE NW SLOWLY
PRES 996HPA
MXWD 040KT
GUST 060KT =
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#31 Postby RobWESTPACWX » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:06 am

This storm is intriguing, I take one day off and when I get home at 10PM theres a freakin TS, this basin is just horrible.

Any how as always I ask, how is this pronounced?
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Re: WPAC: KULAP - Tropical Storm (17W)

#32 Postby RobWESTPACWX » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:56 am

Regardless If I am saying it wrong I put something together, figured I'd share with you guys, as usual put storm2k in there.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIjsrlATjxU[/youtube]
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#33 Postby StormingB81 » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:03 pm

wow now JTWC has it staying as a troical storm and not coming near Okinawa..However ECMWF has it staying near Okinawa for days!
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#34 Postby KWT » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:27 pm

Hmmm looks like the agencies/models are a little all over the place with this system can't really make up thier mind.
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#35 Postby phwxenthusiast » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:58 pm

StormingB81 wrote:wow now JTWC has it staying as a troical storm and not coming near Okinawa..However ECMWF has it staying near Okinawa for days!


That's for a different storm which is now I believe is Invest 91W... ECMWF never really develops Kulap but brings it towarda Amami or Kyushu...
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#36 Postby StormingB81 » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:00 pm

Thank you....so we dont get the weak storm but we get the stronger storm..
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#37 Postby Typhoon Hunter » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:27 pm

StormingB81 wrote:Thank you....so we dont get the weak storm but we get the stronger storm..


Lol yes! Muifa the Return if ECM 12z were to verify - but it is the different system as Pat mentioned.

JTWC yet again showing they have no understanding of the word consistency. However can't really blame them with Kulap since it seems a tricky bugger to forecast. It's looking pretty sorry right now too, has a lot of work to do if it will ever make it to typhoon strength which incidently no-one is forecasting!
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#38 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:11 pm

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#39 Postby RobWESTPACWX » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:17 pm

I quit, this storm is just all over the place.. At least for intensity, the track seems still spot on moving toward the NW.
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#40 Postby phwxenthusiast » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:56 pm

:uarrow: haha, btw Rob, most names (and words at that) in the Asia-Pacific region are pronounced as they are spelt... in this case Kulap would be "kooh-lap"

then again you get the occasional exceptions (eg the Korean 'ae')...
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