2023 Cyclone Retirement (Poll Included at Top) Dora / Otis retired

[Category5Kaiju]

I agree that Otis is gone.

I've been leaning against retiring Idalia now, it's the closest thing to a Bret that we've had in recent years. It could be the first time since 2014 that nothing gets retired from the Atlantic.

What's even more interesting is this might be the first recorded retirement-less Atlantic season that also managed to attain an ACE score just shy of hyperactive levels. Even 2010, 2011, and 2021, which were heavy recurve years, had retirees.

[HurricaneRyan]

Otis's total is now up to $11.5 billion. Which for the EPAC is the Costliest. So yeah,this storm is gone.

[Sciencerocks]

I agree that Otis is gone.

I've been leaning against retiring Idalia now, it's the closest thing to a Bret that we've had in recent years. It could be the first time since 2014 that nothing gets retired from the Atlantic.

What's even more interesting is this might be the first recorded retirement-less Atlantic season that also managed to attain an ACE score just shy of hyperactive levels. Even 2010, 2011, and 2021, which were heavy recurve years, had retirees.

A huge lack of a bermuda high is the reason for this...Nearly everything outside of Idalia recurved Franklin, Lee, Nigal, Don etc recurved and were long lasting fish. Unlike most seasons of the past 20 years. 2010 and 2011 were big mexico and carbbean years that this year simply didn't have.

[Cleveland Kent Evans]

Didn't know "Oso" was a male name in my country, it means bear in english xD

Most given name dictionaries include some names which are very rare. The entry for Oso just says "Variante de Urso".

[aspen]

Otis's total is now up to $11.5 billion. Which for the EPAC is the Costliest. So yeah,this storm is gone.

There are now reports of a death toll of 350+. Costliest EPac storm on record, deadliest in decades…this should get retired, but I remember how Mexico can be pretty picky with retirement. They didn’t request for Alex or Karl ‘10 to get retired despite causing billions in damage.

[Torino]

Otis's total is now up to $11.5 billion. Which for the EPAC is the Costliest. So yeah,this storm is gone.

There are now reports of a death toll of 350+. Costliest EPac storm on record, deadliest in decades…this should get retired, but I remember how Mexico can be pretty picky with retirement. They didn’t request for Alex or Karl ‘10 to get retired despite causing billions in damage.

Otis is 100% getting retired.

[HurricaneRyan]

With the 2023 Atlantic and EPAC seasons now at a close, this is where I stand:

Shoe-in for retirement:
Otis

Possible retirement but not guaranteed:
Idalia

Wildcard:
Dora - depending on whether they include its winds as a reason for the bad Maui fires
Hilary - it felt like an event here in California. Both in person and on social media.

[al78]

I agree that Otis is gone.

I've been leaning against retiring Idalia now, it's the closest thing to a Bret that we've had in recent years. It could be the first time since 2014 that nothing gets retired from the Atlantic.

What's even more interesting is this might be the first recorded retirement-less Atlantic season that also managed to attain an ACE score just shy of hyperactive levels. Even 2010, 2011, and 2021, which were heavy recurve years, had retirees.

A huge lack of a bermuda high is the reason for this...Nearly everything outside of Idalia recurved Franklin, Lee, Nigal, Don etc recurved and were long lasting fish. Unlike most seasons of the past 20 years. 2010 and 2011 were big mexico and carbbean years that this year simply didn't have.

That is because apart from Idalia there was very little storm activity in the Caribbean and Gulf, maybe because of El Nino so there was nothing to make landfall in Mexico even if steering currents were right.

[GSBHurricane]

Is LIdia a possibility since it made landfall as a C4 in Mexico? Granted, it didn't do much damage relatively speaking nor kill many people but neither did Kenna in 2002 and it also made landfall in Mexico as a C4 and got retired.

[Torino]

Jasper seems like a candidate for retirement in Australia based on previous similar cases.

[Iceresistance]

Is LIdia a possibility since it made landfall as a C4 in Mexico? Granted, it didn't do much damage relatively speaking nor kill many people but neither did Kenna in 2002 and it also made landfall in Mexico as a C4 and got retired.

Lidia is going to be overshadowed by Otis

[Foxfires]

According to that NOAA PDF of costliest US TCs, Typhoon Mawar of 2023 makes the list at $4.3 billion. I believe this makes it the costliest US TC outside of the North Atlantic.

On a relevant note, the PDF has also been updated to include Hurricane Idalia 2023 at $3.5 billion.

[ljmac75]

According to that NOAA PDF of costliest US TCs, Typhoon Mawar of 2023 makes the list at $4.3 billion. I believe this makes it the costliest US TC outside of the North Atlantic.

On a relevant note, the PDF has also been updated to include Hurricane Idalia 2023 at $3.5 billion.

I think you're right on Mawar with unadjusted damage, but if you adjust for inflation, that title goes to Hurricane Iniki in Hawaii and if you wanna mess around with "wealth normalization" Typhoon Karen in 1962 is probably also a contender. Amazing how the continental US had a major hurricane last year and that was nowhere near the costliest storm worldwide, I'm not sure how many times that's happened in the past few decades.

[Foxfires]

According to that NOAA PDF of costliest US TCs, Typhoon Mawar of 2023 makes the list at $4.3 billion. I believe this makes it the costliest US TC outside of the North Atlantic.

On a relevant note, the PDF has also been updated to include Hurricane Idalia 2023 at $3.5 billion.

I think you're right on Mawar with unadjusted damage, but if you adjust for inflation, that title goes to Hurricane Iniki in Hawaii and if you wanna mess around with "wealth normalization" Typhoon Karen in 1962 is probably also a contender. Amazing how the continental US had a major hurricane last year and that was nowhere near the costliest storm worldwide, I'm not sure how many times that's happened in the past few decades.

Ah you're right, I forgot about Iniki. Regardless, I imagine Mawar will most likely be retired.

Yeah, I'm incredibly surprised at how many storms outside the contiguous US are costlier than Ida.

[GSBHurricane]

It looks like PAGASA retired Egay and Goring, which will be replaced with Emil and Gavino for 2027. For international names, I'm counting on Mawar, Doksuri, and Saola to be retired.
https://www.pagasa.dost.gov.ph/press-re ... mmissions+

[Hurricane2022]

For international names, I'm counting on Mawar, Doksuri, and Saola to be retired.

What about Haikui?

[NotoSans]

 https://twitter.com/yangyubin1998/status/1766089499375980777




Doksuri, Saola and Haikui have been retired from the WPAC typhoon name list. According to sources, retirement request for Doksuri was submitted by both PRC and the Philippines.

There's a chance Mawar will be retired next year instead (similar to the case of Yutu).

[DioBrando]

Forty-Sixth Session of the RA IV Hurricane Committee Panama City, Panama
Hybrid 18-22 March 2024

[DioBrando]

Forty-Sixth Session of the RA IV Hurricane Committee Panama City, Panama
Hybrid 18-22 March 2024

https://wmoomm.sharepoint.com/sites/wmo ... 9a3acaa1bd

for documents related to the committee meeting



https://wmoomm.sharepoint.com/sites/wmo ... 5FInfoNote

timetable

[DioBrando]

IT'S SO OVER FOR FRANKLIN


Quoted from the Dominican Republic report:

Replace the name Franklin with Ford please

Original:

Reemplace el nombre Franklin con Ford por favor

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